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Title: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Easterntide on March 30, 2015, 05:26:10 AM
Have a nice magnetic tank bag, got it last season for carrying my camera w a large zoom lens while shooting a cycling event. works awesome and i actually prefer riding with the bag on most of the time. My 91 just got a full repaint and i'm a bit obsessive about keeping the nice new paint nice and new.

what are some best practices for using a tank bag and keeping the paint nice?

thanks,
Don


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Zwartie on March 30, 2015, 05:36:13 AM
1. Always make sure the tank is clean before putting the tank bag on it. Dust and dirt will scratch the paint if the tank bag moves around at all. I always keep a can of Plexus and/or Pledge and a dookie (Dutch for small hand towel or cloth) in the tank bag.
2. Make sure the surface of said tank bank is always clean before putting it on the tank. Being magnetic, be sure to check for small bits of metal that might stick to the bottom surface whenever you set the tank bag down on the ground. In fact, I often set the tank bag upside-down if the ground is suspect.

The two "rules" above have worked for me for the past 20+ years of riding with a tank bag and left the tank intact and purdy. This includes the ride to Alaska in which we rode in some pretty dirty/dusty conditions. You could also put a layer of that clear 3M film on the tank but I haven't found that to be necessary.

Zwartie


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: FJmonkey on March 30, 2015, 05:48:31 AM
Try this link.

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=13413.msg134956#msg134956 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=13413.msg134956#msg134956)


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Pat Conlon on March 30, 2015, 08:55:10 AM
Make sure you have a layer of padding at the bottom of the bag, to cushion any hard items from denting the top of your tank.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ZOA NOM on March 30, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
Just go with a clear protector, like on the front of a car.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: FJmonkey on March 30, 2015, 09:28:41 AM
If you are willing to change your tank bag then this is an option.

http://tinyurl.com/njvqko7 (http://tinyurl.com/njvqko7)

I have one and the tank does not touch the paint...


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Arnie on March 30, 2015, 07:59:35 PM
I have one of the GIVI tanklock bags also (on my other bike).
Make sure you get the correct adaptor to fit the Yamaha tank lid.
I think its the BF05, but check it yourself.

Ribbert should know, he has one on his FJ


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Goody on March 30, 2015, 11:18:19 PM
If you are willing to change your tank bag then this is an option.

[url]http://tinyurl.com/njvqko7[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/njvqko7[/url])

I have one and the tank does not touch the paint...
I've got one of theses there fantastic.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Easterntide on March 31, 2015, 05:51:27 AM
i bought my bag because i could handle a full frame camera body w a long 70-200 lens w the big cap on. i shoot some bicycle events and need fast access to a fully ready camera.
I'll either buy a tankslapper kit OR do some 3M Paint Defender...though that's a more permanent solution. I do have 2 cans of the 3M product sitting in my garage at the moment. but the 14$ for the tankslapper kit won't exactly break the bank.
any comments welcome.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: fj johnnie on March 31, 2015, 05:47:11 PM
I cut a small towel to the same dimension as the tank bag. It is a small buffer between the tank and the tank bag. It will also allow the cap to breathe a little. Some guys have had fuel exit the tank at the cap when over filled and the bottom of their bag usually traps said fuel which will remove paint. 


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: theLeopard on April 10, 2015, 09:31:23 PM
1) dont drop the bag
2) when you drop the bag and break the magnets buy a new one
3) turtlewax scratchremover greentub


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Mark Olson on April 11, 2015, 04:17:41 AM
The tank bag should be removed after a ride to prevent fuel discoloration of the paint. Never leave it on when not riding .

Some of the early fj's will experience will suffer fuel starvation at high speeds when the fuel level drops below half tank. Preforming a flapperectomy will solve the starvation problem but exasperate the paint discoloration if bag is left in place during venting cool down period.   


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: twangin4u on May 13, 2015, 02:02:09 AM
Have a nice magnetic tank bag, got it last season for carrying my camera w a large zoom lens while shooting a cycling event. works awesome and i actually prefer riding with the bag on most of the time. My 91 just got a full repaint and i'm a bit obsessive about keeping the nice new paint nice and new.

what are some best practices for using a tank bag and keeping the paint nice?

thanks,

Yeah, it would be nice if they could develop small electro magnets in those tank bags. Something you could turn off and let and foreign material fall off before setting on your tank. I picked up a piece of metal on my bag and as luck would have it just happened to buy a two litre at the store. Put a nice deep gash down to primer on my tank. Looks sweet.
Anyway, magnetic tank bag.. Convenient, but if you value your paint job don't put anything on your tank while your riding. Hell, dust from riding will collect and begin to sand your clear no matter what you do.


Don


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on May 13, 2015, 07:45:37 AM
This bag system is what you need. I have used them for years now (I have 2 sizes) and they totally solve the paint problem.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6689246711_f602406e35_z.jpg)

They are Givi Tanklock bags.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7337/13690211825_5cb4b791e7_c.jpg)

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Arnie on May 13, 2015, 09:38:26 AM
Noel,

Seeing your GIVI click-on bag inspired me to get one for my other bike that has a plastic tank with a painted plastic cover, so magnetics won't work.
I like the GIVI bag but am concerned about its security.  Not so much about someone unzipping it and removing the contents (you have that problem with any tankbag) but with someone just UN-clicking it and taking the bag and contents.
Got any ideas to prevent this other than carrying the bag ?

Arnie


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: magge52 on May 13, 2015, 06:53:43 PM
I use a plastic film on the top of the tank, magnets hold no problem. 
https://thetankslapper.biz/oc/index.php?route=product/product&path=78&product_id=558


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on May 13, 2015, 07:30:03 PM
Noel,

Seeing your GIVI click-on bag inspired me to get one for my other bike that has a plastic tank with a painted plastic cover, so magnetics won't work.
I like the GIVI bag but am concerned about its security.  Not so much about someone unzipping it and removing the contents (you have that problem with any tankbag) but with someone just UN-clicking it and taking the bag and contents.
Got any ideas to prevent this other than carrying the bag ?

Arnie

Move to an area with a lower crime rate. :biggrin:

Arnie, I don't worry about it. My bike is rarely out of site on day rides or trips and I am often accused of having an unrealistic faith in my fellow man's honesty ( I leave the key in it when I park it most of the time during the day)

On the larger of the two bags, like you have, you can't even see the release lever, it is hidden from view under the bag, and I have always figured that most people who would give some thought to nicking it wouldn't have a clue how to release it.

If walking away from the bike, I would usually take the only thing of value in there with me anyway, my bag containing wallet, phone etc with me.

If parked with other bikes I have always assumed an "Honour among thieves" attitude will prevail.

I also believe most petty theft is opportunistic, if it doesn't just lift off, they'll find something else to pinch, like the $800 GPS sitting just above it!

Or they could just take the whole bike, it permanently has a spare key in the compartment above the choke knob and just to show what a generous bloke I am, there is also a $50 note in there. So, if they pinch the bike, the first couple of tanks of fuel are on me.

As you know, with footpath parking in Victoria, you can always park your bike somewhere very conspicuous and in full view.

On the rare occasion I feel security is an issue, I take it with me, and the GPS, but most (all) of the time I forget about the spare key and $50 being left on it, not that anyone is likely to stumble on to that little compartment with it on the side stand with the bars turned.

I also leave my car running with the A/C on in hot weather if just ducking into the shops.

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Arnie on May 13, 2015, 08:59:47 PM
You are much more trusting (and better insured? ) than I am.
It could be because I grew up and spent 1/2 my life in Detroit.  :wacko3:

You do realize that there are now (up to) 4000 more folks who know your
habits and 'some' of them might appreciate your invitation. 
The cops won't take kindly to your (lack of) security habits either.



Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: WeaponWorth on May 14, 2015, 01:14:25 AM
In my opinion I feel like bike security is the top priority just today I took my bike out just for some practice and to see how things were running and I noticed after I came back outside I saw a guy looking at my bike that I did not know so I decided to just sit and watch for little while just to see what he do and he got to close and I started walking out and he walked into an alley and disappeared. I'm not even in a bad area in Chicago but there are shady people always walking around so you can never be too safe wherever you are. But I'm looking into getting a tank bag myself so I'm definitely going to look into that lock system. I'm glad I have a garage but soon starting to be times when my bike is parked outside.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on May 14, 2015, 01:32:57 AM

You do realize that there are now (up to) 4000 more folks who know your
habits and 'some' of them might appreciate your invitation. 
The cops won't take kindly to your (lack of) security habits either.



I briefly considered that, but no one knows where I live, the bike is secure at home anyway and the most relevant point, just how much trouble is someone going to go to to steal an old FJ? particularly one with a single clutch spring, they'd never make a fast getaway.

Security is something I weigh up against the "TDI" (Theft Desirability Index) For example I wouldn't turn my back on my good car for a moment without locking it, I never leave the keys on a bench or table in the house that can be seen through windows etc. and that's insured. My other cars? If there's nothing of value inside them, I don't even lock them.

Car thieves, for the most part, are only going to pinch something they can on sell, is fun to joy ride in or suitable for committing a crime, my other cars do not fall into any of those categories.

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ken65 on May 14, 2015, 03:46:43 AM
 Hey Noel, In 11 years of living out bush i never locked the doors once, even when we went away to get married.

Shelly my 50kg plus bull mastiff x boxer bitch tricked the whole world that she was a killer. I watched her one day when

the front gate was left open and she Sheep dogged the kids in and wouldn't let them out the front gate when they were trying to escape. Even wifey seen it.

Even now in the big smoke i rarely lock up the house, the last time i did we had to go to the real estate agent to get the spare keys so

we could get in , i took the spare car keys by mistake.





Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on May 14, 2015, 08:09:28 AM
Hey Noel, In 11 years of living out bush i never locked the doors once, even when we went away to get married.

Ken, I can remember being amazed when I moved to QL in '75, NO ONE locked their doors or even knew where the keys were, as you say, even when they went on holidays and that was in the middle of Brisbane.

Not sayin' QLer's had nothing worth pinching but..........

The other thing I remember was no one ever asked if you would like a drink, they would just shove a XXXX in your hand, it was like a universal greeting. I didn't even drink beer before I went there (and after a year of XXXX I've never been able to drink it since)

Then there were the young women who thought underwear was only for the colder states and.........err sorry, my mind is wandering, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, unlocked houses, yeah right.
 
There were these three nurses I shared a house with (unlocked of course) and one night after a few too many drinks we.........sorry, forgot where I was for a moment.

Yeah, top spot Brizzy, very friendly people.

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: X-Ray on May 18, 2015, 06:11:43 AM
You have unfinished stories Noel.......
Oh ok, save them for our next rally down south


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Arnie on May 18, 2015, 11:05:06 AM
I was discussing security of my Givi Click Lock tank bag a couple of days ago and I said I was a bit worried that someone would just un-click my expensive Givi bag and walk away with it and all it contained.  Noel assured me that there is no theft in Oz and that there is honor amongst bikers.
Further, that I should move to a 'safer' address :-)

Well, today I took a look at this bag mount system and made up a simple security system for it.
I thought some of you who are also not so trusting as Ribbert might like to copy it.

First unsnap the bottom liner of the bag and move it out of the way so its not damaged.
Then turn the bag over and drill a small hole next to the unlocking lever
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/99_18_05_15_10_38_01.jpeg)

This shows the locking pin in place preventing the lever from opening the mount
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/99_18_05_15_10_39_09.jpeg)

Another view of the mount with locking pin in place
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/99_18_05_15_10_40_32.jpeg)

This is the 'locking pin' just a piece of bent steel wire about 2.5mm dia.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/99_18_05_15_10_41_39.jpeg)

Looks like this with the pin in place. (note: I tied a piece of string on it to prevent loss)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/99_18_05_15_10_42_48.jpeg)

Put the liner back in place and attach the snap, and you only see the string
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/99_18_05_15_10_43_31.jpeg)

Someone could still unzip the bag and take the contents, but you could use a small lock if this is a danger.  OR, if you're transporting diamonds, cash, or drugs, unclip the bag and take it with you.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on May 19, 2015, 06:39:13 AM

([url]http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/99_18_05_15_10_38_01.jpeg[/url])



That's great Arnie, I may even copy it if I ever move to shifty part of town.
 
Seriously, that is a great bit of thinking, simple and 100% effective, I like it.

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: DiggerDoo on March 14, 2020, 01:26:31 PM
This bag system is what you need. I have used them for years now (I have 2 sizes) and they totally solve the paint problem.

They are Givi Tanklock bags.

Noel

Ribbert.. Which Lock Ring did you order? specifically for the '90-FJ1200 ?  Was it the BF05 ?


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: racerrad8 on March 14, 2020, 08:31:52 PM
As an official Givi dealer, yes the BF05 is the proper tank mount.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: aviationfred on March 14, 2020, 09:13:10 PM
I recently installed the GIVI tank lock ring and got advise from Cap'n Ron on what size bag works well. His advise was a 15L bag.

I have a Bagster full coverage tank bra and the GIVI tanklock bag worked great on my trip out to the RPM Rally back in October. I highly recommend using the Tanklock.



Fred


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on March 15, 2020, 06:39:22 AM
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Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: DiggerDoo on March 17, 2020, 11:32:16 AM
As an official Givi dealer, yes the BF05 is the proper tank mount.

Randy - RPM

Thanks Randy..  Off to RPM to order one !!

D


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: vertigobike on July 23, 2020, 06:16:17 AM
hi, y'all

I too am struggling with this

want to preserve the original looks of the bike.. but also want practicality if I'm going to spend 1 or 2 nights in a far away hotel with my wife, so need to take (small) baggage

usually the wife "takes the hit" carrying a backpack; but if it's heavy (her things, obviously, not mine) it's bad for her back

but I don't like top-cases which in my opinion disrupts the looks of the FJ

also, my favorite choice - hard case side panniers - are too expensive for the FJ (ridiculous prices for the bars + cases)... and the back blinkers may have to be moved, which I don't want

soft side panniers are dangerous in my opinion, as they may get into the wheel/tire... nope nope

soft top-case... also disrupts the looks of the bike

so the last option is a tank bag... magnetic or straps... with or without a tank cover

tank covers also disrupt the bike looks, especially the all black ones... but they also protect the paint of the tank against scratches... I saw one brand new for my FJ in matching color... but it's very expensive... and if down the line I decide to sell the FJ and buy a completely different bike... I can't re-use the tank cover, as it's made to fit the tank

tank bags with straps look so complicated to install/remove... tank bags with magnets look the most simple choice: install-magnet on then uninstall-magnet off... with the option of putting a cloth between the tank and bag to protect against potential scratches even more

there's also the capacity... having a small tank bag is worthless for me - might as well not to buy it at all - so it has to be at least the size of a normal backpack, to carry at least a 1 night-hotel baggage for 2 people... I'd say the minimum would be 25 litres

I know there's big tank bags that also expand... but even in their normal not-expanded form... can you still see the clocks? (especially speedometer and fuel gauge)... I wouldn't want to get a ticket, thinking I'm peacefully strolling on the highway at a safe 62 mph but then realising I'm actually at 87 mph!  :crazy:

so the big plus on a tank bag is that even if you sell your bike and buy a completely different one... at least you can still keep the bag and use it on the new bike... so it's a good investment down the line, that will last you as long as the bag itself lasts

(of course it would be way simpler if the FJ had OEM integrated hard side panniers)

regards


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Millietant on July 23, 2020, 07:12:39 AM
I have an Oxford Sports tank bag that is magnetic, but also comes with a strap-on base kit as well. I use the base on my Aprilia RSV, as it has a plastic fuel tank, but use the magnetic fixing on my FJ. I've been using this tank bag for almost 20 years and and used another magnetic bag for many years before that, over tens of thousands of touring miles and as Jan (2big) on here can possibly attest, my petrol tank paintwork has suffered no damage as a result.

The bag expands a bit and has a clear see-through top pocket (Andy for maps and mobile phones), a zip-on wallet pouch and 2 side pouches that I use for face-shield rags/ ear plugs etc. It even has a zip-on extra bag that gives even more capacity. I believe it's still available from Oxford Products - it also comes with a rain cover and it has an attachment that makes it a back-pack for carrying off the bike, as well as a normal clip-on carry strap.

Pannier wise, the Krauser K2 systems are a neat fit and pop up on eBay reasonably frequently at reasonable prices.

It's not a great photo of the gear, but you can see the tank bag (with zip-on top section) and my panniers in this photo taken on a 2 week family tour of Europe back in 2004.

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/11/6213_23_07_20_7_08_53.jpeg)


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: vertigobike on July 23, 2020, 09:07:50 AM
thanks for you input, Dean

I've seen Oxford tank bags as well, but not sure if I'll be able to see the clocks - I guess I'll either buy one online (cheaper) and then check it out; or go to a physical store and try it first before I buy it (more expensive)

(or a 3rd option: going to a physical store, try it, if it fits neatly and I'm able to see the clocks, I'll take a note of the brand/model and instead of buying it at the store I'll buy it online)

regards


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: RPM - Robert on July 23, 2020, 09:10:33 AM
These would be a good option for your tank bag without needing a tank cover


Tank Bag Ring Lock System (https://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=GiviTankRing)

Semi Hard Expandable Tank Bag 15L (https://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=GiviST603)

Soft Side Expandable Tank Bag 15L (https://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=GiviXS307)

If you decide to say good bye to your FJ or even if you have multiple bikes all you would need to do is buy the corresponding ring for that bike and you can easily use the bag on any bike with the ring.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on July 23, 2020, 09:17:58 AM
Over the years I've had them all and find these to be hands down winners. These particular ones are Givi but most of the major brands now make a version of the same thing.

Givi's version is called "Tanklock" A low profile ring fits around the fuel cap and the bag snaps on to it. I've covered hundreds of thousands of km's with them and I've never heard of one failing. It takes literally 1 second to remove it with a spring loaded lever on the underside of the bag and they just snap back on. There is no contact with the tank (paint)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/3692/33088993980_2466bb3c9d_b.jpg)

All these bags fit on the one ring and on other bikes also fitted with the tank ring. I have different bags for different riding.

It is rigid enough to use one handed while riding without fear of it sliding around on the paintwork.

You can see the clearance here, the red you can see underneath is the release lever.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7014/6689250519_9c4a99ff17_b.jpg)

Noel



Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on July 23, 2020, 09:20:05 AM
....I can still see the instruments even with the big bag extended, which is quite high.

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Millietant on July 23, 2020, 10:54:48 AM
thanks for you input, Dean

I've seen Oxford tank bags as well, but not sure if I'll be able to see the clocks - I guess I'll either buy one online (cheaper) and then check it out; or go to a physical store and try it first before I buy it (more expensive)

(or a 3rd option: going to a physical store, try it, if it fits neatly and I'm able to see the clocks, I'll take a note of the brand/model and instead of buying it at the store I'll buy it online)

regards

There's no problem seeing the clocks Carlos, even with both tiers stuffed full of gear  :good2: Like Noel says, nothing I've ever tried has blocked the clocks on the FJ. And like Pat says, there are plenty of options without needing a tank cover.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: vertigobike on July 23, 2020, 11:42:38 AM
hi, guys

thanks for your tips and for confirming you can still see the clocks/instruments when riding with the bags

as neat and practical as the tank lock seems, seeing the ring requires drilling the tank (I may be wrong) frightens me  :unknown:

although my FJ 1100 won't be in any museum I also don't want to alter it - when the day comes to part ways with it I want to let her go the same way I received her - pure & "untouched"  :good2:

and even if there's a way to super-glue the ring to the tank it still wouldn't be an option for me, as per the above (glue residues/marks)

so at this point I will probably start looking for the old-fashioned magnet tank bags, which I can likely use on the bike without any alterations; and still keep and use the bag on other bikes other than the FJ 1100 (provided they have a metal tank)

ribbert: I like your side panniers's bars that haven't interfered with the blinkers

regards


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: big r on July 23, 2020, 11:59:12 AM
The tank lock ring uses the existing screws that hold the fuel cap on


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: FJmonkey on July 23, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
For the 84/85 cap?


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Pat Conlon on July 23, 2020, 12:20:25 PM
For the 84/85 cap?

Nope, magnets for us....


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: RPM - Robert on July 23, 2020, 01:55:25 PM
 :Facepalm:

Oops, I forgot you had an 1100. The tank rings won't work unfortunately.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: vertigobike on July 23, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
big r: that's amazing it uses the sames screws for the tank cap (on standard cap bikes) - so provided it doesn't leave any marks if you take the ring out; and can re-use the ring on another bike that's perfect

but apparently the FJ 1100 still has the old-school tank cap all the way to the front of the tank, not in the center

I also just came across this hack (not for the faint of heart like me, though...) :

Just passing along my tankbag mod using the GIVI tanklock system on my '84

([url]http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/campsimonette/FJ1100/IMG_7578_zpswrdnd93h.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s208.photobucket.com/user/campsimonette/media/FJ1100/IMG_7578_zpswrdnd93h.jpg.html[/url])

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Using grease on my drill bits and then using this with some goop for sealing:
[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/45-piece-threaded-insert-riveter-kit-1210.html[/url] ([url]http://www.harborfreight.com/45-piece-threaded-insert-riveter-kit-1210.html[/url])

([url]http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/campsimonette/FJ1100/IMG_7586_zpsqqh2al1n.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s208.photobucket.com/user/campsimonette/media/FJ1100/IMG_7586_zpsqqh2al1n.jpg.html[/url])

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Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Pat Conlon on July 23, 2020, 04:11:13 PM
Aaaaah, Nope


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Waiex191 on July 23, 2020, 04:41:38 PM
Aaaaah, Nope
^+1.  Rivnuts are evil.  I've had to take them out of aircraft before, one with the tap still stuck in it. 

Am I the only one here who was never worried about keeping the bike pristine?  Mine looks great from a couple meters away (please note good use of metric system from a US citizen) but all my bike's imperfections means I don't worry about it and I just ride.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Millietant on July 23, 2020, 04:53:40 PM
I was like you for the first 25 years of my ownership of my current FJ Bryan - I always looked after it, kept it clean, tidy and maintained, but never worried about it being pristine........

But then.... I got old......and now I actually do care about the bike deeply - after my many "affairs"/"flings" with younger prettier models, I've come to appreciate the attributes of the old girl and I cherish her.......

She's definitely not "pristine", but I think of her as the Raquel Welch of the motorcycle world (or with the surgery she's had, maybe others would think of her as the Jane Fonda)  :sarcastic: :sarcastic:


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Millietant on July 23, 2020, 06:34:37 PM
I'm with Pat and Bryan on this - riv-nuts in the top of the petrol tank.......nope, no way, never.......not in my tank !!!!


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: fj1289 on July 23, 2020, 07:25:05 PM
Aaaaah, Nope
^+1.  Rivnuts are evil.  I've had to take them out of aircraft before, one with the tap still stuck in it. 

Am I the only one here who was never worried about keeping the bike pristine?  Mine looks great from a couple meters away (please note good use of metric system from a US citizen) but all my bike's imperfections means I don't worry about it and I just ride.

Nope.  My street bike is painted flat black (rattle can of course!)  “Clean” it with windex, “wax” it with WD40...


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: krusty on July 23, 2020, 08:27:51 PM
Aaaaah, Nope
^+1.  Rivnuts are evil.  I've had to take them out of aircraft before, one with the tap still stuck in it. 

Am I the only one here who was never worried about keeping the bike pristine?  Mine looks great from a couple meters away (please note good use of metric system from a US citizen) but all my bike's imperfections means I don't worry about it and I just ride.

Nope.  My street bike is painted flat black (rattle can of course!)  “Clean” it with windex, “wax” it with WD40...

Noooo, not WD40, use Mr Sheen!
Next time SWMBO goes to the store ask her to get it for you - she'll think you will be doing the furniture. MWHahahah.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Waiex191 on July 23, 2020, 10:37:17 PM
I just cleaned off my front wheel with WD40!  Still is not pristine though. 


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Millietant on July 24, 2020, 12:55:49 AM
i used to use WD40 to clean the chain lube off my back wheel before I washed and polished it....was always worried about it getting on the tyre and brake disc, so sprayed it onto the cloth I was using rather than onto the wheel itself.

I've found the Muc Off brand of products work well on the bike and recently started to use Autoglym car polish on the bodywork (because we had a bottle that was sitting on a shelf). It's good enough for me !  :sarcastic:


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Motofun on July 24, 2020, 06:59:30 AM
I bought some of that new nano ceramic "wax" stuff to try out.  I tested in on my '95 Chevy plow truck...just in case.  Holy Cow, it really works!  After a month of using the truck as it was meant to be used (ie abused), I hosed it off and aside from some tar it looks fine.  Going to try it out on my track bikes that get lots of bugs and hot rubber stuck to them...hoping for the best.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: fj1289 on July 24, 2020, 03:15:21 PM
Aaaaah, Nope
^+1.  Rivnuts are evil.  I've had to take them out of aircraft before, one with the tap still stuck in it. 

Am I the only one here who was never worried about keeping the bike pristine?  Mine looks great from a couple meters away (please note good use of metric system from a US citizen) but all my bike's imperfections means I don't worry about it and I just ride.

Nope.  My street bike is painted flat black (rattle can of course!)  “Clean” it with windex, “wax” it with WD40...

Noooo, not WD40, use Mr Sheen!
Next time SWMBO goes to the store ask her to get it for you - she'll think you will be doing the furniture. MWHahahah.

Don’t forget - I’m talking FLAT black paint - the awD40 just keeps it from looking “chalky” after a while.   

Made the mistake once of thinking some wax would give it a satin sheen - made it very splotchy and nasty looking - had to stop it off and start over!


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on July 25, 2020, 03:44:17 AM

^+1.  Rivnuts are evil.  I've had to take them out of aircraft before, one with the tap still stuck in it. 


You may have had a bad experience with them, but Rivnuts are great (if used within their limitations ). I've found them not very suitable for thin metal (or trying to run a tap through one when it's unloaded), "Plusnuts" work much better. In fact, if only using in small quantities, thin sheet or one off applications they are always better (IMO) but they are comparatively expensive in small quantities.

However, if you need a blind nut, you need a blind nut.

If anyone has a better solution, please post about it.

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Waiex191 on July 25, 2020, 08:19:25 AM
I use aviation style nutplates. In this picture you can see the nutplates in the reflection.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/11/6694_18_06_20_9_23_39_1.jpeg)

Also the missing paint was from when I had them installed on the wrong part.  It is a handy demonstration of that the nutplate legs look like.
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/categories/aircraft_parts/ap/menus/ha/nut_anchor.html (https://www.aircraftspruce.com/categories/aircraft_parts/ap/menus/ha/nut_anchor.html)

Granted this type of blind nut would be very hard to install in the tank.  You need access to both sides to set the solid rivets that hold it. You could used pulled rivets but they are not as strong.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on July 26, 2020, 06:21:31 AM

I use aviation style nutplates.......Granted this type of blind nut would be very hard to install in the tank.  You need access to both sides to set the solid rivets that hold it.


What ever section of riveted metal shown in the photo not only looks beautiful, but appears too clean to have flown? (I'm a sucker for beautiful metal work - riveted, welded, formed, worked, polished, whatever)

But as you say, with nut plates you still need access to the back to fit them and in a non aviation application, that means you could just use a conventional fasteners. The issue is using a proper blind nut with sufficient strength for the job.

What, btw, is the plane?

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Dads_FJ on July 26, 2020, 08:14:55 AM
I'm with Pat and Bryan on this - riv-nuts in the top of the petrol tank.......nope, no way, never.......not in my tank !!!!

Yea, drilling holes in the top of ones tank is not for every bike or everyone, but some odd years later I've had zero issues with the riv-nuts on my trusty steed.  #Noregrets #FormFollowsFunction



Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Waiex191 on July 26, 2020, 09:38:36 AM

I use aviation style nutplates.......Granted this type of blind nut would be very hard to install in the tank.  You need access to both sides to set the solid rivets that hold it.



What ever section of riveted metal shown in the photo not only looks beautiful, but appears too clean to have flown? (I'm a sucker for beautiful metal work - riveted, welded, formed, worked, polished, whatever)

But as you say, with nut plates you still need access to the back to fit them and in a non aviation application, that means you could just use a conventional fasteners. The issue is using a proper blind nut with sufficient strength for the job.

What, btw, is the plane?

Noel


Thanks Noel!  It's a Sonex Waiex.  My oldest son and I have been building it since he was 11 and it has not flown yet. I need to stop messing around with motorcycles and sailboats so I can finish this thing.
(http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19342.0;attach=15169)


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Waiex191 on July 26, 2020, 09:45:01 AM

Yea, drilling holes in the top of ones tank is not for every bike or everyone, but some odd years later I've had zero issues with the riv-nuts on my trusty steed.  #Noregrets #FormFollowsFunction
That's hard to argue with!  My bad rivnut experience was during a restoration project of a 1946 C140.  They used them to hold tank covers on a metalized wing and a few other places.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: ribbert on July 27, 2020, 05:18:14 AM

I use aviation style nutplates.......Granted this type of blind nut would be very hard to install in the tank.  You need access to both sides to set the solid rivets that hold it.



What ever section of riveted metal shown in the photo not only looks beautiful, but appears too clean to have flown? (I'm a sucker for beautiful metal work - riveted, welded, formed, worked, polished, whatever)

But as you say, with nut plates you still need access to the back to fit them and in a non aviation application, that means you could just use a conventional fasteners. The issue is using a proper blind nut with sufficient strength for the job.

What, btw, is the plane?

Noel


Thanks Noel!  It's a Sonex Waiex.  My oldest son and I have been building it since he was 11 and it has not flown yet. I need to stop messing around with motorcycles and sailboats so I can finish this thing.
([url]http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19342.0;attach=15169[/url])


It looks ready to fly, can't be too much left to do. What engine option did you choose, did your son discover girls or manage to maintain his interest and do you fly regular aircraft?

What a great project to build with your son, I love the look of the continuous line of the engine cowl and the canopy, very Bell X-1ish.
I started a less ambitious project with my son when he was 8, to build a scale car, he's now 30 and let's just say the car has a few bugs to iron out. :lol:

Love the street names!

Noel


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: Waiex191 on July 27, 2020, 07:19:41 AM

It looks ready to fly, can't be too much left to do. What engine option did you choose, did your son discover girls or manage to maintain his interest and do you fly regular aircraft?

What a great project to build with your son, I love the look of the continuous line of the engine cowl and the canopy, very Bell X-1ish.
I started a less ambitious project with my son when he was 8, to build a scale car, he's now 30 and let's just say the car has a few bugs to iron out. :lol:

Love the street names!

Noel
My son is still interested.  I've got a bit over 1000 hours in airplanes, helicopters, and gliders.  Unfortunately I haven't flown since 2013.  Time to get back in the saddle.  We have the 80HP Aerovee engine.  Partly for finances, partly because for learning to fly lower power is better.  If you learn to fly in a super cub, no field is too short in your mind.

I have enough money into the airplane to buy a new SUV, and I drive a $500 car.  Not that I actually drive it anymore.  Seems like a good trade.


Title: Re: Keeping your tank paint safe w a tank bag?
Post by: vertigobike on September 10, 2020, 03:49:29 PM
hi, y'all

I ended up buying a cheap second-hand (yet still in "like-new" condition) magnetic tank bag (that also has straps) off from eBay: it's a German (white label?) brand called "Hanson"

it's very neat, cost me a fraction of what a new one would cost, almost smells like new, very rugged/strong quality, still has all the tags and User manual, has more pockets and zips that I ever imagined or ever will need, transforms into a backpack, transforms into 4 individual pieces, its magnets are super-strong even with heavy groceries on the top "shelf"... and after all I really can still see the dashboard even in its highest setup :-)

I'm very happy with it and will keep it as long as I can even after the FJ is gone one day... as I can still use it in other bikes

here's a rushed picture I took:

(https://i.postimg.cc/zB8Cbph3/20200906-193306.jpg)

regards