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Title: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on June 15, 2017, 12:00:06 AM
I have been in contact with Hot Foot Moto regarding reverse engineering a good slider and offering them for sale. Balky got this ball rolling here http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16941.0. (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16941.0.)

So Hot Foot would like to know how much interest there is in making them for the FJ world.

Hot Foot gave a ballpark range of $40.

Vote early, vote often...


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on June 15, 2017, 05:08:29 AM
OK guys, let's see your votes! This part was frequently asked for.  :good:


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: giantkiller on June 15, 2017, 06:22:03 AM
If I wasn't converting 2 of my 86s to R1 swingarms. I would have ordered 1 just to have a spare. Because they're going to wear out. If you plan on keeping your bike. And not doing the work to convert the swing arm. You should get one of these.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Firehawk068 on June 15, 2017, 12:15:42 PM
I need the '89-'93 version..........................


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on June 15, 2017, 12:22:18 PM
I need the '89-'93 version..........................

That one is available in abundance as OEM. These earlier years are not.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: racerrad8 on June 15, 2017, 12:23:38 PM
We received 100 with our last Yamaha order. There are plenty left.

89-93 Swing Arm Guide (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3ASAG)

Robert - RPM


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: ct7088 on June 15, 2017, 08:58:03 PM
I would buy two.

Chris


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: aviationfred on June 16, 2017, 07:02:21 AM
I don't need one. But I voted for Andy French who is traveling and asked me to put a vote in for him.


Fred


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: SkyFive on June 16, 2017, 07:25:31 PM

I was able to find a good used one for my 1984 FJ a few years ago. However, if I had not I was planning on fabricating one from two pieces of Delrin and pop riveting it on.



Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: fjbiker84 on June 16, 2017, 07:28:11 PM
I need one for my 84...


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on June 17, 2017, 01:17:25 AM

I was able to find a good used one for my 1984 FJ a few years ago. However, if I had not I was planning on fabricating one from two pieces of Delrin and pop riveting it on.



Problem is it won't last long. Rubber in combination with chain lube, chain cleaner, oil, UV light....it just becomes crumbly. So you will need one sooner or later. Recently I managed to find one NOS, but even with that, I would buy a new one for sure, because...40$ just isn't expensive. Even this new one I bought...hmmm I don't know. Rubber just looks old.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Alf on June 17, 2017, 03:00:29 AM
I'm interested too


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on June 17, 2017, 04:43:59 AM
I'm interested too

Give a vote on the poll.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Alf on June 17, 2017, 08:06:06 AM
My option is in 2 months, so now  :good2:


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on June 27, 2017, 09:03:34 AM
A bump for the poll!  :crazy: :mail1:


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on June 27, 2017, 01:20:31 PM
At the current interest level Hot Foot is interested and I will send them my part this week. I will post more updates when I can.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on June 27, 2017, 01:53:35 PM
At the current interest level Hot Foot is interested and I will send them my part this week. I will post more updates when I can.
:good2: Thank you for the effort!


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on August 08, 2017, 12:40:40 AM
Update...

Hot foot has sent my slider to a sub-contractor that repairs the cosmetics of my used/worn slider. This repair restores it to a condition that is then copied for reproduction. Nobody wants a new item to have wear marks out of the box. I will follow up in a month or so as this process may take 2 months. So stay tuned if you want, I will update when I know more.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: fjbiker84 on August 08, 2017, 04:25:03 PM
How many of these are being made?  I certainly want to get one when available. 


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on August 08, 2017, 05:37:14 PM
I will get more details when they get my part back and start the reverse engineering process on it.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Urban_Legend on August 08, 2017, 05:49:50 PM
This is great news. I didn't get to vote, but I would be very interested in these.

Mark


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Sparky84 on September 30, 2017, 11:53:35 PM
I will get more details when they get my part back and start the reverse engineering process on it.

Any updates on a time frame when they will be available?

Mine is starting to fall apart now, cracks have been there for awhile but now bits are falling off.

Cheers
Alan


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on October 01, 2017, 12:00:45 AM
Any updates on a time frame when they will be available?

Mine is starting to fall apart now, cracks have been there for awhile but now bits are falling off.

Cheers
Alan
My reminder has not alerted me yet but I think it will hit soon. I will ping them for an update.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Sparky84 on October 01, 2017, 03:45:27 AM
My reminder has not alerted me yet but I think it will hit soon. I will ping them for an update.

Thanks Mate, after further inspection mine Is cactus,  :negative:
I don't need to take any screws out the remove it, I think its the splatter from chain lube holding it there  :nea:
Might have to stick it down with double sided tape
 
Cheers
Alan



Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: fjbiker84 on October 02, 2017, 05:51:01 AM
Does the swing arm have to be removed to install this slider?  Just wondering should these things ever become available.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on October 02, 2017, 06:33:29 AM
Does the swing arm have to be removed to install this slider?  Just wondering should these things ever become available.

If they make it the same - then I think NO (I think monkey sent them older style slider that is open on the front). Although it is a lot easier to do it if you remove it (and grease the bearings in the process).
There was a newer style slider that is closed at the front and removal is necessary. 


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Sparky84 on October 11, 2017, 11:08:18 PM
Just trying to find a replacement for mine and came across, http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=9147.msg159887#msg159887 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=9147.msg159887#msg159887)

Does the 89-93 work properly, does it cover the drop down part for the bolt that holds Linkage arm?

Cheers Alan


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on October 12, 2017, 12:19:20 AM
No.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Sparky84 on October 12, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
 :shok:


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Mark Olson on October 13, 2017, 02:41:45 AM
Hey Monkey , I need one as well when available


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on October 13, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
I have sent an email asking for an update. When I hear back I post an update.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on October 15, 2017, 11:18:04 PM
My slider is back from repair and now on the Hot Foot Moto bench for duplication. The process has made the first major step...


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on October 16, 2017, 01:03:46 AM
My slider is back from repair and now on the Hot Foot Moto bench for duplication. The process has made the first major step...

Looking more and more promising! Thank you for your efforts Monkey!  :good:


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Sparky84 on October 16, 2017, 02:44:09 AM
My slider is back from repair and now on the Hot Foot Moto bench for duplication. The process has made the first major step...

Looking more and more promising! Thank you for your efforts Monkey!  :good:
+10

That is Great news Mr Monkey, you have done Well   :drinks:



Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on October 18, 2017, 03:06:23 PM
I got a reply to my question asking when the mold might be ready.

"Nothing yet. Some molds take 1 day. Others take 6 months. It's quite the complex procedure to figure out how to pour the mold and be able to get the part out again. I'll let you know as soon as it's ready."


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on October 19, 2017, 01:34:24 AM
I got a reply to my question asking when the mold might be ready.

"Nothing yet. Some molds take 1 day. Others take 6 months. It's quite the complex procedure to figure out how to pour the mold and be able to get the part out again. I'll let you know as soon as it's ready."

Okay, important thing is they're working on it and haven't forgotten about us.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Troyskie on December 31, 2017, 01:36:12 PM
I’ll put my hand up for four please.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Troyskie on December 31, 2017, 01:37:51 PM
I forgot to say the local bike shop let me take a bunch of dirt bike ones home to see which would fit closest. None really did but I managed to get one on with a cable tie and some heat.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on December 31, 2017, 02:35:20 PM
Troy, thanks for the tickle. I will follow up for a progress report on the slider.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on March 29, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Update.... There is no update. My last 3 emails (the first of the three on Jan 20) asking for an update have not been answered. I called then number I found for them and got a generic answering recording, I left a message.

Anyone near this company that can see if they are still in business?

Hot Foot Moto
4481 Hobart Rd
Gagetown, Michigan 48735-9749


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on March 29, 2018, 11:27:03 PM
Our luck, I guess...  :empathy3:


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Sparky84 on March 30, 2018, 05:03:20 AM
Update.... There is no update. My last 3 emails (the first of the three on Jan 20) asking for an update have not been answered. I called then number I found for them and got a generic answering recording, I left a message.

Anyone near this company that can see if they are still in business?

That's not good, after all the effort you have put in.

Did you get your original slider back that the mold was made from or are you still waiting for the mold to get made and they still have your original?

Cheers Alan


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on March 30, 2018, 10:32:41 AM
They still have my original... :cray:


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Sparky84 on March 30, 2018, 03:53:05 PM
Mate, that's the sad part about this   :empathy3:

I do hope you get it back after your valiant effort in trying to help others   :drinks:



Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on March 30, 2018, 11:39:34 PM
Hot Foot Moto has a FB page... Last update was Dec 2017. I am keeping my hopes up for a little bit longer.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on April 11, 2018, 11:00:33 PM
I got an update this morning!!!

"Hi Mark,
Just letting you know that we have the mold poured. If all goes well, I should have the part available next week."

I am not sure if this means production ready or still in a validation phase. I will wait for the next update and possibly have some better info on production. 


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Sparky84 on April 12, 2018, 01:02:56 AM
 :yahoo:

I like the sound of that.

Maybe they were still on Chrissy Holidays before,
let's hope they don't start them early.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on April 30, 2018, 05:18:51 PM
Teaser Alert!!! Hot Foot delivered. It looks good, see for your self.

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/10/104_30_04_18_5_11_47_1.jpeg)

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/10/104_30_04_18_5_11_46_0.jpeg)

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/10/104_30_04_18_5_11_51_3.jpeg)

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/10/104_30_04_18_5_11_49_2.jpeg)

Randy or Robert will have it very soon to review the fit.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on May 01, 2018, 12:46:10 AM
 :good2:

What's your impression on the material?


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: aviationfred on May 01, 2018, 04:09:14 AM
That part looks the business.  :good2:

Can the price be kept under $75.00?


Fred


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Steve_in_Florida on May 01, 2018, 05:43:44 AM
Mark,
That's really interesting.

I take it that a mold was made of the original part, then the new material was poured, correct?

What's the material?

I ask, because Reynolds Advanced Products has an outlet right down the street from my house, and they sell stuff like that, with all sorts of different characteristics and properties.

Steve


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: fjbiker84 on May 01, 2018, 05:59:22 AM
What's the next step?  Do you need to approve the sample before they make a run of more?  Do you think the material it's made of is as good as the Yamaha part?   


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on May 01, 2018, 10:05:50 AM
All good questions.

What's your impression on the material?

The material seems very hard and slick. Not sure of the properties under the shiny surface.

Can the price be kept under $75.00?

I think it will be comfortably under $75, I hope Randy can work a supplier deal with Hotfoot.

I take it that a mold was made of the original part, then the new material was poured, correct?

What's the material?

It was, my part was used so they did a cosmetic correction. Then made the mold from the part. I will ask about the material, it depends if they keep that info NEED to KNOW.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Troyskie on June 30, 2018, 12:16:42 AM
update please.... (popcorn)


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: FJmonkey on June 30, 2018, 09:34:41 AM
Troy, thanks for the poke. I sent the slider to Randy at RPM for evaluation. I think he wants to install it to see if the material has good wear properties. Just looking good does not mean it will last. I know he is a bit busy right now but when he reads this it may bring it further up the list of things to do. You seem to be back in the thick of it with all your bikes stripped down. Its a wonder how you ever leave the garage with all the nakedness going on. My next project is a major repair of a lower fairing. A fellow rider is out for hip revision surgery and I have his lower in much need of repair. I plan to take plenty of pics and share my success (or failure) of the attempt. Maybe I will just print a new one....


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Troyskie on June 30, 2018, 03:55:59 PM
The dirt bike chain slider I put on Yummy is working well. The donor bike has one I might pinch. I was thinking of printing one with a channel to accept a dirt bike slider so it can be mounted properly, but easily swapped out for a new one.

It is hard to leave the shed. Very hard! I’ve a few little fun jobs to do, but the big job is a top end refresh on Effie.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: balky1 on October 17, 2018, 08:45:50 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-1987-Yamaha-FJ-1100-1200-Front-Chain-Slider-Seal-Guard-36Y-22151-01-00/113297378736?hash=item1a610ccdb0:g:VSUAAOSwnFpbvAwv&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-1987-Yamaha-FJ-1100-1200-Front-Chain-Slider-Seal-Guard-36Y-22151-01-00/113297378736?hash=item1a610ccdb0:g:VSUAAOSwnFpbvAwv&vxp=mtr)


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: RPM - Robert on October 17, 2018, 09:12:09 AM
That is from the company that Monkey sent his guide into. When we contacted them about some concerns we had about the rubber being soft. This is what they had to say about the durability,

"I haven't had a chance to list them on our website or ebay yet. It's in the works though. Our polyurethane is 60 shore hardness. They don't offer much harder. The only thing that I have seen is the chain sliders can melt at highway speeds. Let me know how it works. The sliders are going to retail for $59.95."

We currently have the sample one on Andy's bike being tested to see if it will hold up.


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: andyoutandabout on October 17, 2018, 10:13:46 AM
Peeps,
Since last weeks chain guide install, 800 riding miles have passed over it. I'll check on it tonight and see how its holding up. The bulk of those 800 were done on the highway at speeds averaging 80mph for a good long run.
Andy


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: racerrad8 on October 17, 2018, 12:24:22 PM
As the person that installed the prototype, yes the first prototype, onto Andy's bike, I had to make modifications to get it to fit. I am not aware if the company has done any test fitting on any other fans.

The mould they took from monkey's original is warped. It would not fit without going in and grinding down material.

I will email hot foot and let them know there is still more design changes to the finished product.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Tuned forks on October 17, 2018, 04:27:20 PM
So I assume 84-87 FJ chain sliders are a consumable part that is unobtainium?

Joe


Title: Re: '84/'87 Chain Slider - Possible supplier
Post by: Troyskie on October 17, 2018, 04:30:11 PM
Yep