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General Category => Yamaha FJ1100 / FJ1200 Running Problems => Topic started by: Ryankhitt on April 12, 2018, 09:30:02 PM

Title: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 12, 2018, 09:30:02 PM
So... Here I am... Again. I have an 87 fj 1200. After I had to lay it over to avoid a guy not using his signal, it ripped the pick-up coil cover off and completely demolished my stator pick-up coil and rotor. Bike sat in freezing temps for about 3 months. I was finally able to afford the parts and it was a pretty easy install. I installed them just as it was left. So, I forgot to put fresh gas in and it wasn't firing. I put new gas in and it was up to backfiring. So I tried boosting it with starting fluid but just backfired. So then I clean my carbs and...(I'm glad I did) then nothing... Not even a back fire. Then I decided I need new plugs... Which I did. Still nothing. I have been using a friends car to jump it but haven't put it on a trickle charger. I tried clearing it in case it was flooded. The next move is new cables but they don't look that bad. My question is should I do any kind of timing on it and if so... How. I can't afford to take it to a shop... So here I am respectfully reaching out. Thank you to the forum and all the members.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 12, 2018, 10:36:19 PM
Get a new battery. Weird shit happens without a healthy battery.
Assuming your carbs are clean (big assumption if not done right)  let's try the easy stuff first.
Got your plug wires on the correct plugs?
As you sit on the bike: #1 cylinder is on your left with #4 cylinder on your right.  Left side coil goes to #1 and #4. The right side coil goes to #2 and #3.
Got the vacuum line hooked up to your petcock? No vacuum to open the petcock = no gas to the carbs.

Assuming the above checks out, you ask yourself, is it fuel or is it spark?

Check the left coil: Take #1 plug out, reconnect the plug wire, ground the plug by laying it on the valve cover, thumb the starter...you should see a nice spark. Switch the plug wire with your #4 plug wire, do the same.
Now you've checked the left coil and both plug wires #1 & #4 and you've seen spark.
Now check the right coil, take #2 plug out, look for spark...switch the #2 plug wire with #3 wire and check.

If you have spark....then start thinking about fuel.

Report back.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: balky1 on April 13, 2018, 12:18:07 AM
Pat, shouldn't the rotor be correctly timed? I've never done this, but I think I saw it in a manual.
Maybe the old one got moved when he smashed it.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 12:29:04 AM
Quote from: balky1 on April 13, 2018, 12:18:07 AM
Pat, shouldn't the rotor be correctly timed? I've never done this, but I think I saw it in a manual.
Maybe the old one got moved when he smashed it.

That is what I am really wondering. Do I have to re-time a carburetor bike? Or is it only for fuel injected?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 13, 2018, 12:33:12 AM
The rotor fits on the crank end just so....there is no adjustment. The plate that has the 2 pickup coils should bolt right in...unless the plate's mounting holes have been modified. Sometimes folks elongate the mounting holes to advance the timing.

If everything fits correctly, there is no need to re time anything. It's about as plug and play as you can get.
Remember, the timing advance curve resides in the TCI ignition box. The spinning rotor just signals the pickup coil to tell the TCI box which ignition coil to fire and when.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 12:46:32 AM
That is exactly what I thought. Because it really was just about the easiest install I have ever done. Thanks Pat, ill check back in tomorrow after testing.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: ribbert on April 13, 2018, 05:46:58 AM
Before casting your net too wide in the search for the problem, keep in mind it was running fine when you laid it down and the problem will be something that happened as a result of that, something you replaced or something that happened over the time it was laid up.

Noel
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 09:36:00 AM
Right, I have kept that in mind. As it goes, I replaced the only damaged parts (pick up coil/rotor/cover). After trying with bad gas (my fault)... I put new gas and got backfire. I think the new gas might already be bad. My friend brought me regular gas and I always use primo high octane. Maybe the gas is already bad again? It wasn't even hitting with starting fluid in the pod filters.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 13, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 09:36:00 AM
It wasn't even hitting with starting fluid in the pod filters.
When using starting spray, take your pod filters off, with your finger, lift up the slides and spray down the throat of the carbs.

Regardless, it sounds like you have a spark problem.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 05:25:29 PM
So the battery is great and I just put primo gas in... It is back to back firing... I put new spark plugs in... Now ill check the wires and if they are hitting.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 05:54:34 PM
Well, everything else checks out except... No spark on #1 and #4... So I'm guessing that means a bad coil? I was praying it would just be bad wire caps... Can't really afford a new coil and wire set... Damn it. Can I repair the coils at all?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: ribbert on April 13, 2018, 05:54:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 13, 2018, 11:53:06 AM

When using starting spray, take your pod filters off, with your finger, lift up the slides and spray down the throat of the carbs.


....and open the throttle fully, otherwise you are just spraying onto closed throttle plates. You also need to hit the starter quickly after spaying before the mist condensates on the cold intake port.

Bad fuel is one of those things that's get talked about more than it happens. The FJ shouldn't need premium fuel, most folks run standard, but whatever your choice normally, it won't be the reason it won't start.

Noel
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Sparky84 on April 13, 2018, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 05:54:34 PM
Well, everything else checks out except... No spark on #1 and #4... So I'm guessing that means a bad coil? I was praying it would just be bad wire caps... Can't really afford a new coil and wire set... Damn it. Can I repair the coils at all?

Have you tried swapping primary leads (plastic connectors) on the coils to see if it's that side not a coil and I'm assuming you have checked those plastic connectors for any corrosion on the leads inside,
Just a thought
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 06:16:39 PM
I checked the wire caps. There is no corrosion. I haven't looked at the actual coils themselves... I shall retire with a report. I do need to take off my pod filters and use the start guild method the right way... Just as soon as I get a spark on #1 and #4... BrB
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: ribbert on April 13, 2018, 06:21:51 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 05:54:34 PM
Well, everything else checks out except... No spark on #1 and #4... So I'm guessing that means a bad coil? I was praying it would just be bad wire caps... Can't really afford a new coil and wire set... Damn it. Can I repair the coils at all?

Think about the advice re the problem being related to recent events, why would all four caps go bad? why would the coil suddenly die because you laid it over? It should still fire on the remaining two cylinders if that was the problem.

Assuming it has no spark to two cylinders, have you checked to see if there is power to that coil? that would be more likely.

Do you have one of these....

(https://www.elliottelectronicsupply.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/0/0/0038975641287_Def_37.jpg)

...a 12v test light. If not, buy one, they're cheap and will make trouble shooting a lot easier.

Noel
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 06:34:10 PM
I don't have one of those testers. When I did a spark test on the #2 and #3 spark plugs and wires there was a spark. However it wasn't as fast as I thought. It would spark every 5 seconds. Then I tried #1 and #4 and there was nothing at all. I can't find any corrosion. Wouldn't it just be a new wire assembly? Do coils really go out that often?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 06:36:01 PM


Have you tried swapping primary leads (plastic connectors) on the coils to see if it's just that side

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How do I change those leads? I can't see a way to disconnect them.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Sparky84 on April 13, 2018, 07:00:11 PM
They just unplug, then swap to check spark on the one you suspect is no good.
If you get spark then it's not your coil.
Also as Noel said check your voltage at these plugs.
Good luck

(https://images2.imgbox.com/91/ed/goaL60Wj_o.jpg)
NOTE: Its the plug that plugs into this one you need to check for voltage


(Wish I had some of your coolness here. It's going to top 30℃ today again)
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 07:17:40 PM
So I switched them... And the #4 fired... I hope this is it... I think I can just run down and grab some new ones in town at the auto store. I'll let you guys know if this is the problem. Pretty weird that #1 and #4 wire caps just happen to be the ones that went out... Coincidence?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 08:20:19 PM
I switched the plugs you were talking about. I didn't get spark on #2 and #3 this time... But I got spark on #1 and #4....... So... Crap... I have a bad coil. Is there any way to fix it? I can't afford a new one right now.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: FJ_Hooligan on April 13, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
You installed a new pickup assembly.  Why not start there?

Ohm the pickups and see if there is any difference between the two.  Check for continuity

This was the original problem, verify it is fixed before assuming that it has magically jumped to something else.

I have a friend that calls me up whenever he has a problem with his bike.  My first question is: "What was the last thing you touched?"

Then: "Start with that and work backwards."
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: FJ_Hooligan on April 13, 2018, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 08:20:19 PM
I switched the plugs you were talking about. I didn't get spark on #2 and #3 this time... But I got spark on #1 and #4....... So... Crap... I have a bad coil. Is there any way to fix it? I can't afford a new one right now.

You need to work on your debugging logic.  If 1 and 4 are now firing, that means that coil is OK (meaning BOTH coils are fine).  So either the coil plug is not supplying power, or you're not getting a signal from the pickup
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Sparky84 on April 13, 2018, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 13, 2018, 08:20:19 PM
I switched the plugs you were talking about. I didn't get spark on #2 and #3 this time... But I got spark on #1 and #4....... So... Crap... I have a bad coil. Is there any way to fix it? I can't afford a new one right now.

You don't have to buy a new coil  :good: both are good.

Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on April 13, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
You installed a new pickup assembly.  Why not start there?

+ 1 on that.

Trace back to where the voltage should be coming from to the coils.
Its not the Fuel  :good:
Its not the Plugs  :good:
Its not the Coils  :good:

No Extra Costs so far, Just time and yours is a lot cheaper than someone you're going to pay to do exactly what you're doing

Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: CutterBill on April 14, 2018, 09:37:27 AM
This kind of hit-or-miss parts replacement makes my head explode.  To the OP, you're willing spend $100 to replace the coils, but you aren't willing to spend $8 to buy a 12-volt test light?  That makes no sense to me.  Or... you can go to Harbor Freight and buy a digital VOM for the same price. Then you will be able to take actual voltage and resistance readings.  Did you know that Yamaha still sells the Factory Service Manual? It's about $80. Best money you will ever spend. Inside you will find a detailed step-by-step troubleshooting guide to figure out exactly why your bike won't start... without guessing and without throwing money away on some part that you don't need.  I don't get it...

Also, (because I haven't had breakfast yet and I'm cranky) replying to your comment that you "had to lay it over to avoid a guy..." I will offer you this:
"If the side of your bike has more friction than your tires, it might be time for some new rubber."

Bill
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 14, 2018, 10:41:54 AM
I agree with David and the others, it sounds to me like you have a wonky pick up coil. You bought them used, correct?

A continuity test light will tell you if you have a open circuit (broken wire, etc) but an ohm test will also tell you that, and importantly, the condition of the windings within the coils....something a test light won't do.

Get a multi tester, they're cheap..

Quote from: Pat Conlon on July 16, 2017, 02:11:57 PM

Ohm test your pick up coils at the plug connector to the ignition box. You should read between 149 to 182 ohms at 70* F for each coil. Take a hair dryer and warm up the coils for testing.

Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 01:48:27 PM


Also, (because I haven't had breakfast yet and I'm cranky) replying to your comment that you "had to lay it over to avoid a guy..." I will offer you this:
"If the side of your bike has more friction than your tires, it might be time for some new rubber."

Bill
[/quote]

It was in eastern Oregon, where they use pumice pellets to melt snow and create traction for cars in snow. When the sun comes out it exposes little piles of pellets in intersections and the shoulder. When I avoided him I hit a pellet patch... My bike literally disappeared from beneath me... Strait to pavement... My back tire has probably 1500 miles on it.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 02:02:16 PM
It has to be a bad coil. If both #1 and #4 don't fire, then I switch the coil connectors and then both #2 and #3 are not firing... Why would I need a volt meter? Yes, I do intend to buy one. However, I can get coils that are tested on a coil tester (yes there is a machine for that) from a salvage yard for $50. I am kind of hurting for money and need my bike to get to a new job. You can't fuck up installing a pick-up base and rotor... Its fixed...There is only one way it can be installed. If the new coils don't work I promise ill buy a volt meter, and when I have an extra $80... I'll buy the manual
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 14, 2018, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 02:02:16 PM
It has to be a bad coil. If both #1 and #4 don't fire, then I switch the coil connectors and then both #2 and #3 are not firing...

Think about what you're saying. If you have a problem with #1/4 ignition coil and you switch coil connectors and the problem follows to #2/3 coil, why do you think the first coil is bad?

We are not saying your install is wrong (It's hard to get wrong) We are saying you could have a bad pick up coil that's not signaling the #1/4 ignition coil to fire.
Ohm test them.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Where do I test the pick-up coil at?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 02:59:05 PM
The pick-up coil was old but it came out of a just as old yamaha genuine box with manufacturers code and looked brand new.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 14, 2018, 03:14:27 PM
You say one coil, that worries me, your '87 should have 2 pickup coils, not one.
Not all FJ1200's are the same....the later '89 models used one pick up coil with a different rotor with a Digital Ignition Control box.
These will not work with your '87. You have a different ignition box, a Transistor Controlled Ignition box.
Your pick up coils and rotor should look like this: https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/yamaha/motorcycle/1987/fj1200t/pickup-coil-governor (https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/yamaha/motorcycle/1987/fj1200t/pickup-coil-governor)
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 03:27:17 PM
That is the coil and rotor I replaced. What I am replacing now is the ignition coils, which probably burnt up when I played it down...
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 14, 2018, 03:38:50 PM
Ok, good, if your parts match the picture, you got the correct pick up coils and rotor.

Let us know how it works out.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 14, 2018, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Where do I test the pick-up coil at?

At the plug to the ignition box. Unplug the lead to the pick up coils. The plug has 3 male prongs. The black wire is the common ground. Test the ohm values between each prong and the prong with the black wire.
See my #24 post above for ohm values.

Very easy. The $15 cost of a multi tester is much less than the cost of a set of ignition coils.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
Well I already bought the ignition coils. If this dosent work I get a tester asap... Oh Lord FJ... Please let this work.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 14, 2018, 04:27:27 PM
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you....
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 05:34:26 PM
Thanks... ill need it.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: CutterBill on April 15, 2018, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 01:48:27 PM
It was in eastern Oregon, where they use pumice pellets to melt snow and create traction for cars in snow. When the sun comes out it exposes little piles of pellets in intersections and the shoulder. When I avoided him I hit a pellet patch... My bike literally disappeared from beneath me... Strait to pavement... My back tire has probably 1500 miles on it.
Well, that's different. From your original post, it sounded like you intentionally laid your bike down. Yep, it's amazing how fast a bike can disappear from under you when you hit the marbles. Been there, done that.   :wacko3:  But just for the sake of discussion, I will suggest that perhaps you were too close to the car. Always give yourself enough room so that if they do something stupid, the car won't hit you. Sometimes easier said than done, I know...

As for your bike's no-start problem, if you can't get it figured out, I can scan the trouble-shooting guide from the FSM and send it to you.
Bill
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 01:13:37 PM
Thanks a lot Bill, if you could send it over anyways I would appreciate it. I have the other ignition coils installed. Just letting it sit on the trickle charge for a bit. I wasn't close to the car... He wasn't even in the turning lane  :Facepalm:
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: FJ_Hooligan on April 15, 2018, 01:59:30 PM
Unfortunately, you've already proven that new coils will NOT fix your problem.

How do you burn up a coil as a result of laying the bike down?  I can't recall anyone ever having that happen.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 15, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
David, he hasn't tried them yet....let's see...
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 03:51:45 PM
Well, you may be right. I still have same problem. I turn it over and nothing happens except on big back fire
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
The shop said it is possible to burn up ignition coils if you lay it over and the key is in the on position...???
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 04:19:39 PM
This is the tester I have. How do I test it on the pick-coil?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
I just turned my key to the ON position and got a backfire as soon as I turned the key.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: FJ_Hooligan on April 15, 2018, 06:29:58 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
The shop said it is possible to burn up ignition coils if you lay it over and the key is in the on position...???

That's just bullshit from the dealer looking to inflate a repair price.

Having the engine die as a result of an accident (whether laying it over or anything else) is no different than simply turning the key on and leaving it on.  Yes, the coils will charge but burn up?  No.  That would be an extremely bad design.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 15, 2018, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 04:19:39 PM
This is the tester I have. How do I test it on the pick-coil?

Select R X 10 setting, you should read between 14.9 and 18.2 on the top (ohm) scale.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 07:17:06 PM
With the bike in the ON position I touched the positive to the coil then grounded to the coil plate. On RX 10 the needle shot all the way over to the right.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 08:02:22 PM
Napa said the battery tested good... The volt meter says it has a good charge BUT for some damn reason when I hit the start button it sounds like a dying/dead battery.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 15, 2018, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 07:17:06 PM
With the bike in the ON position I touched the positive to the coil then grounded to the coil plate. On RX 10 the needle shot all the way over to the right.

Ryan, I don't know what to say....I've already told you twice where and how to test the pick up coils.
Unplug the motherfucker and ohm test at the plug.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 08:55:11 PM
Haha haha... Sure thing Pat. Ill do it when I get home. Do I touch positive and negative to the same prong? Or ground out the negative?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: ribbert on April 15, 2018, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 15, 2018, 08:27:40 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 07:17:06 PM
With the bike in the ON position I touched the positive to the coil then grounded to the coil plate. On RX 10 the needle shot all the way over to the right.

Ryan, I don't know what to say....I've already told you twice where and how to test the pick up coils.
Unplug the motherfucker and ohm test at the plug.

....Irishluck??
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: CutterBill on April 15, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 08:55:11 PM
Do I touch positive and negative to the same prong? Or ground out the negative?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbgiBU96mM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbgiBU96mM)
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 11:37:25 PM
I tested at the connector as well as my fuses... Everything checks out. My friend is offering to buy me a new battery so ill try that. Its pretty odd that the charger says (full charge) and the bike starts like it has a dead battery.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Bill_Rockoff on April 16, 2018, 04:07:47 PM
I'm late to this thread, but when my bike had trouble turning over even with a fully charged battery, I solved it by replacing the starter. I ordered a 4-pole starter from RPM. I installed it in about an hour, including cleaning the grime and including convincing myself that I really had to remove the parts that were in my way. I did a step-by-step on it a few dozen posts ago.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 16, 2018, 04:15:51 PM
Where is the starter located?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Mr. Grumpy on April 16, 2018, 04:35:47 PM
Great link.
https://www.yamahapartsnation.com (https://www.yamahapartsnation.com)
Just pick your bike and look up the pieces.


Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 16, 2018, 04:15:51 PM
Where is the starter located?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 16, 2018, 05:45:16 PM
Brand new charged battery and it won't even backfire. :Facepalm:
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 16, 2018, 06:57:03 PM

Great link.
https://www.yamahapartsnation.com (https://www.yamahapartsnation.com)
Just pick your bike and look up the pieces

That site just shows diagrams. It Dosent show the actual location of the starter.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 16, 2018, 07:10:53 PM
Is there any way to test the starter without removing it? What about changing the oil. I have been waiting to get a hot engine to do it. However it was sitting for 3 months in freezing temps. I couldn't afford to keep it in storage.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: CutterBill on April 16, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
Here, I'll make it easy for you....
https://www.yamahapubs.com/results.php?cat-id=3&year=1992&family=FJ1200&lang=en (https://www.yamahapubs.com/results.php?cat-id=3&year=1992&family=FJ1200&lang=en)

The manual covers all years.
Bill
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 16, 2018, 11:01:37 PM
Who cleaned the carbs?

So, the pick up coils checked out ok and you have new coils....are you now getting spark at all 4 cylinders?
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 17, 2018, 02:17:36 AM
I haven't checked the to see if there is spark on all 4 yet. Had a busy day. I cleaned the carbs. I opened the gates and cleaned the pilot and main jets. Looks like I have to just take her in and have someone who knows more than me check it out. Just don't really have the money because I can't get to a job. This bike is my only transportation. I have a friend taking me tomorrow and the next day... That may be enough to take it in.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: ribbert on April 17, 2018, 06:33:21 AM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
I just turned my key to the ON position and got a backfire as soon as I turned the key.

....and there, at last, is the telling bit of info!

Ryan.... Hooligan, Cutter Bill and myself (twice) have all told you one way or another that the scatter gun approach is wasting time and money. Only three  things have happened to your bike since it was running perfectly, you dropped it and broke a few things, you replaced parts and you parked it up for three months.
In that time your coils didn't go bad, all four plug caps didn't corrode, the fuel didn't go off, if a jump from a car won't start it your battery isn't the problem, the starter didn't suddenly die from being on it's side briefly, it doesn't need premium fuel to run and FFS, the oil has nothing to with it.

Yes, there can be odds defying longshots and coincidences, but you start chasing those after you've covered the obvious, you damaged some parts and replaced them then your problems started.

My next step would be to check the bolt that mounts the rotor isn't bent. The bike obviously has spark and it has fuel (or it wouldn't backfire), just got to get the order right. My money remains on the parts you replaced (or didn't replace) being the problem.

Ryan, I know you're desperate to have it running and short on cash but you've asked for advice, take it, otherwise it will dry up. Lots of knowledgeable folks here only too happy to help.

The backfire when turning on the ignition is the key (no pun intended) and should narrow the search. The rotor sends a signal for the ignition to spark on an already energised system, what you bike appears to be doing is sending that signal as soon as the system is energised (ignition turned on)

If all this is a bit beyond you and you need the bike for work, maybe the best option is take it to an auto electrician and make some arrangement for payment. A guy that knows what he's doing, with the bike in front of him, would home in on this in no time flat, in the meantime, check that bolt.

IMO

Noel
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 17, 2018, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 17, 2018, 02:17:36 AM
I cleaned the carbs.

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Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Mr. Grumpy on April 17, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
You know my wife tells me I do this so much she has forgotten what colour my eyes are!LOL

Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 17, 2018, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 17, 2018, 02:17:36 AM
I cleaned the carbs.

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Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: racerrad8 on April 17, 2018, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 14, 2018, 02:02:16 PM
You can't fuck up installing a pick-up base and rotor... Its fixed...There is only one way it can be installed.

As long as you have the correct rotor for the correct pick-up coil system or vica-versa.
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 15, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
I just turned my key to the ON position and got a backfire as soon as I turned the key.

That tells you the coil is being charged and discharging when the key is turned on.

My only advice, is post up some photos of the pick-up coil and rotor as you have it now. As mentioned several times, that was the damage and initial trouble. The BS from the dealer about a burned coil is poor information, so get that out of your head.

If you have the meter, you have the ability to check the pick-up coils and ignition coils, just follow the manual Bill sent you.

No, you do not have to change/drain the oil when you replace the starter.

Randy - RPM

Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: FJ_Hooligan on April 17, 2018, 07:33:51 PM
Next you should try rotating the brake pads.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Ryankhitt on April 27, 2018, 05:29:26 AM
Its in the shop. Its a local rider that only works on 1990 and older. He said he will do a diagnostics on electrical and if he can't find anything then clean the carbs... Ill update as soon as I have info. Thank you for all the help an advise. Fell like an ass for not knowing my bike better. Only in my third year of riding. The bolt was fine, the parts I bought were new and I cross referenced them. I also checked them with the meter and contacted the seller.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: ribbert on April 28, 2018, 06:47:52 AM
Quote from: Ryankhitt on April 27, 2018, 05:29:26 AM
He said he will do a diagnostics on electrical and if he can't find anything then clean the carbs...

Ryan, I hope you told him about the backfire as soon as the ignition is turned on, that is the key bit of information and should lead him straight to the problem (and save you a lot of money)

Noel
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Old Rider on May 03, 2018, 12:50:54 PM
Hello im 99,9% sure its someting wrong with your pick up coil.I would start with checking that the rotor is not bent/lose or if its dirt or corrosion at the contactpoints on the base. then you shuold
measure the distance at both sides at the contact points.If that seems okay i would inspect the wiringplug from the pickupcoil and giwe it some wd 40 to clean and make good contact. God luck!
And also check your sidestand switch (and clutch lever switch) mayby something happened to it wile the bike went down and making it make bad connection.
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: Mike 86 in San Dimas on July 14, 2018, 02:34:43 PM
 (popcorn)
Pat,  I thought  I was gonna die when you posted the start trek scene. :sarcastic:
Title: Re: Bike just won't start...
Post by: GS Jockey on September 27, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
A couple of months late in reading this thread... any news on how it worked out?