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Title: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on October 29, 2018, 03:46:09 PM
Wow. You went there! At least you didn't say Miata! :bomb:

:pardon: Yeah because we have a Miata your Porche' cannot keep up with...

Miata! Bzzzzzz Bzzzzz Bzzzzzzz

And it definitely doesn't bzzz...

I wasn't expecting the pipe to turn cherry red. by the time I snapped the photo it was still glowing...

Top speed this weekend, 175 mph while spinning the tires in all four gears at the California Shift S3ctor event (https://shift-s3ctor.com/). More photos and some video links to follow in a separate post.

Randy - RPM



Title: Ryan's Miata
Post by: ZOA NOM on October 29, 2018, 06:14:22 PM
Wow. You went there! At least you didn't say Miata! :bomb:

:pardon: Yeah because we have a Miata your Porche' cannot keep up with...

Miata! Bzzzzzz Bzzzzz Bzzzzzzz

And it definitely doesn't bzzz...

I wasn't expecting the pipe to turn cherry red. by the time I snapped the photo it was still glowing...

Top speed this weekend, 175 mph while spinning the tires in all four gears at the California Shift S3ctor event (https://shift-s3ctor.com/). More photos and some video links to follow in a separate post.

Randy - RPM



OK, THAT's not a Miata, and you damned well know it. Also, does it just go straight, or can it handle a corner will all that go...?


Title: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on October 29, 2018, 08:08:28 PM
OK, THAT's not a Miata, and you damned well know it. Also, does it just go straight, or can it handle a corner will all that go...?

Come on now, we just made the front air dam this week to try for the 200. Until then, from the outside 100% Miata. Under the hood is a Chevy, but the suspension is still 100% Maita parts with exclusion of aftermarket coil over shocks and wilwood brakes.

It's been to thunderhill, that's when we figured out it needed better brakes.

I'll get a photo from there.

Once we get it dialed in, you ready to race...? :bomb:

Randy - RPM


Title: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: RPM - Robert on October 29, 2018, 08:23:05 PM
https://youtu.be/3Gv2QYNrYQY

Does it turn?


Title: Ryan
Post by: Pat Conlon on October 29, 2018, 08:29:34 PM
Hmmm, Robert, was that a black flag I saw? (Yes, I know the story)


Title: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: RPM - Robert on October 29, 2018, 08:36:31 PM
I believe it was. The wine and cheese Porsche guys don’t like it if u dip a few tires off and bring a bit of mud back on the track.  :empathy3:

https://youtu.be/yVpk491H-dc


Title: Ryan
Post by: ZOA NOM on October 29, 2018, 09:13:01 PM
I thought so... It turns like a yacht.


Title: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: RPM - Robert on December 14, 2018, 05:42:21 PM
Top speed this weekend, 175 mph while spinning the tires in all four gears at the California Shift S3ctor event (https://shift-s3ctor.com/). More photos and some video links to follow in a separate post.

Randy - RPM

The trophy arrived

Merry Christmas


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: andyoutandabout on December 14, 2018, 06:53:14 PM
Top job Ryan.
I’ve never been that fast on the ground.
What a thrill


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: Flynt on December 14, 2018, 09:12:55 PM
Top speed this weekend, 175 mph while spinning the tires in all four gears at the California Shift S3ctor event (https://shift-s3ctor.com/). More photos and some video links to follow in a separate post.

Randy - RPM

The trophy arrived

Merry Christmas


Was this a 1 mile run or ??  I've gone 170 in my TTRS while in Germany.  That was fast, but the car was completely comfortable at speed.  I can't imagine nearly 180 in that Miata...  nor how you'd cart around the testicles required to even try. 

Great work RPM and Ryan in particular.  What's next for the beast?

Frank


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: racerrad8 on December 15, 2018, 08:43:40 AM
Was this a 1 mile run or ??  I've gone 170 in my TTRS while in Germany.  That was fast, but the car was completely comfortable at speed.  I can't imagine nearly 180 in that Miata...  nor how you'd cart around the testicles required to even try.  

Great work RPM and Ryan in particular.  What's next for the beast?

Frank

A standing 1/2 mile; 0-175 at the mile mark blowing the tires off everytime the Turbo spooled up and generated more than 6-8 psi of boost.

Going to get the back planted better and go for that 200 mark.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 15, 2018, 10:15:48 AM
A wing I tells ya, a wing.....but Ryan hates wings.... :flag_of_truce:


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: FJmonkey on December 15, 2018, 06:14:26 PM
Maybe a very health breakfast and no bathroom breaks till the run is over. And skoot the seat way back....


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: racerrad8 on December 15, 2018, 07:20:42 PM
A wing I tells ya, a wing.....but Ryan hates wings.... :flag_of_truce:

Mechanical grip = Zero horsepower loss.

Wing = Aerodynamic drag = horsepower loss...

Going to try mechanical grip first.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 15, 2018, 08:56:57 PM

Wing = Aerodynamic drag = horsepower loss...


Randy - RPM


See "Gurney Flap"


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: racerrad8 on December 15, 2018, 10:19:40 PM
Wing = Aerodynamic drag = horsepower loss...

Randy - RPM

See "Gurney Flap"

AKA, wickerbill...

The Gurney flap can add additional drag to the wing. I found this in the first article I read about it...
"Designers beware. A Gurney Flap can add few percent increase in drag, depending on how tall it stands"

Mechanical traction has no cost of aero drag.

That is the starting point, if we still can't get it hooked then we will start with a pro stock style spoiler.

https://goo.gl/images/tqc63z

It's basically a flat extension of the upper deck lid surface that will draw the air from under and create a low pressure area to help push down on the back of the car at speed.

That will also allow us to build the structure to add a parachute. Ryan said the end of the runway comes up real quick with brakes only. He's not sure if he can get it stopped of he does get to 200 or more.

Also going with a drag tire this time instead of a Hoosier oval track tire.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 15, 2018, 10:37:00 PM
Not exactly...

From the Wiki:

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fclqtg10snjb14i85u49wifbv-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F07%2Fpicture_6.jpg&f=1)

The Gurney flap increases the maximum lift coefficient (CL,max), decreases the angle of attack for zero lift (α0), and increases the nosedown pitching moment (CM), which is consistent with an increase in camber of the airfoil.[4] It also typically increases the drag coefficient (Cd),[19] especially at low angles of attack,[20] although for thick airfoils, a reduction in drag has been reported.[21] A net benefit in overall lift-to-drag ratio is possible if the flap is sized appropriately, based on the boundary layer thickness.[22]




Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: racerrad8 on December 16, 2018, 12:12:14 AM
Not exactly...

From the Wiki:

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fclqtg10snjb14i85u49wifbv-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F07%2Fpicture_6.jpg&f=1)

The Gurney flap increases the maximum lift coefficient (CL,max), decreases the angle of attack for zero lift (α0), and increases the nosedown pitching moment (CM), which is consistent with an increase in camber of the airfoil.[4] It also typically increases the drag coefficient (Cd),[19] especially at low angles of attack,[20] although for thick airfoils, a reduction in drag has been reported.[21] A net benefit in overall lift-to-drag ratio is possible if the flap is sized appropriately, based on the boundary layer thickness.[22]


Your reference article is contradicting in reference (see red)

Can we agree that regardless of the Gurney flap, the two surfaces of a wing in the air flow increases Aero drag and robs horsepower?

If we run the aforementioned flat surface spoiler, we have only increased a single surface area while creating a low pressure area below. This car is already Aero challenged and the goal is to not increase the drag anymore thus using the horsepower to reach the goal.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 16, 2018, 02:04:10 AM
That's interesting Randy, thanks Rick, good stuff.  :good:
I know Rick see's a lot of aero tricks from his fellow racers at the track. Even Porsche has been know to use a wing or two...

Randy, I will be pleasantly surprised if Ryan gets there (200) on tires alone.

Perhaps tires and rear ballast? Something's gotta hold down the back end of that light little Miata.

Getting that last 25mph is gonna be a challenge for sure.

Go Ryan Go!


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 16, 2018, 01:55:44 PM
Randy, the operative word higlighted in red above is "typically". The part I highlighted was also found to be true IF you could find the proper balance. The brute force of that silly Miata would indicate that refined nuances like those found in the Porsche world would be lost on you cretins.  :rofl: :bomb:

I would also have to emphasize that any wing you put on the rear will be far less effective without a front air dam, etc. They work together to keep air out from under the car that creates lift, while providing downforce.


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: racerrad8 on December 16, 2018, 07:44:28 PM
The brute force of that silly Miata would indicate that refined nuances like those found in the Porsche world would be lost on you cretins.  :rofl: :bomb:

Spoken like a true, hard core pinky waver. :blum1: :rofl: :rofl2: :pardon:

https://media.giphy.com/media/11FW9v8xkfZznq/giphy.gif


Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 16, 2018, 08:48:24 PM
The brute force of that silly Miata would indicate that refined nuances like those found in the Porsche world would be lost on you cretins.  :rofl: :bomb:

Spoken like a true, hard core pinky waver. :blum1: :rofl: :rofl2: :pardon:

https://media.giphy.com/media/11FW9v8xkfZznq/giphy.gif


Randy - RPM

Low blow, buddy, low blow!


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: racerrad8 on December 16, 2018, 10:45:18 PM
The brute force of that silly Miata would indicate that refined nuances like those found in the Porsche world would be lost on you cretins.  :rofl: :bomb:

Spoken like a true, hard core pinky waver. :blum1: :rofl: :rofl2: :pardon:

https://media.giphy.com/media/11FW9v8xkfZznq/giphy.gif


Randy - RPM

Low blow, buddy, low blow!

Low blow?  :unknown:

 I prefer...

https://goo.gl/images/tB1nhb

Now...

https://goo.gl/images/bBjFKT

 :empathy3:


Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 16, 2018, 10:53:34 PM
yeah, yeah, whatever...

Come see me when you turn that pig to the left or right, and quit driving a straight line.


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: racerrad8 on December 16, 2018, 10:57:38 PM
yeah, yeah, whatever...

Come see me when you turn that pig to the left or right, and quit driving a straight line.

Careful...

You might end up tucking that Porsche whale tail between your legs.... :bye2:

Randy - RPM



Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 16, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
 :hi:


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: rlucas on December 17, 2018, 07:06:54 AM
When I was 15, Mom caught me doing the "Gurney Flap" in the bathroom.

She has never let me forget it.



Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 17, 2018, 11:59:38 AM
When I was 15, Mom caught me doing the "Gurney Flap" in the bathroom.

She has never let me forget it.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I'l be laughing all day!


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 17, 2018, 12:50:19 PM
When I was 15, Mom caught me doing the "Gurney Flap" in the bathroom.

She has never let me forget it.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I'l be laughing all day!

...along with Rock's mom....


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: andyoutandabout on December 17, 2018, 04:32:45 PM
Stop hijacking my thread [email protected]$ks


Title: Re: Napa Renegade Season Closer Invitational Rally
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 17, 2018, 04:52:32 PM
Stop hijacking my thread [email protected]$ks

 :flag_of_truce:


Title: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 17, 2018, 08:22:06 PM
Ok Andy, I busted out the discussion on Ryan's crazy Miata out of your Renegade Rally thread.


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: ZOA NOM on December 17, 2018, 09:43:04 PM
I gotta admit, it has to take balls to mash the go pedal on that abomination. I'll give you that.


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: ryanschoebel on December 18, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
I gotta admit, it has to take balls to mash the go pedal on that abomination. I'll give you that.

You're always going to be more comfortable if you built it yourself. That said, I couldnt do that in ANYTHING haha


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: Millietant on December 18, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
I gotta admit, it has to take balls to mash the go pedal on that abomination. I'll give you that.

You're always going to be more comfortable if you built it yourself. That said, I couldnt do that in ANYTHING haha

I'd give it a go, no worries......always up for a bit of pedal mashing on 4 wheels  :good2:

Now, on 2 wheels, it's not the same !! I need to have some degree of confidence in the way it's put together before I go balls-out, on-track, on a bike.


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on April 27, 2019, 11:44:26 AM
Ryan is back down in coalinga  for the second attempt at 200.

A few valve train improvements and a refine to the tune yielded better horsepower. Unfortunately I was at work when it was on the dyno. A pro stock drag race style wing,  some drag slicks and a parachute will hopefully get it to 200 and then stopped before the pavement runs out.

Here is a live timing link for today: https://api.rss3t.com/reports/stats/14

He is number 171 today and in class, RWD (NL - Trap Speed Day 1 Qualifying

The shake down run to feel out the changes has happened.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on April 27, 2019, 12:11:12 PM
Run two and getting a feel for the changes.

Up to 168 against a Jag.

#40 Daniel Landfield , 2013 Jaguar XKR ( 140.27 mph )
vs. #171 Ryan Raduechel , 1990 Mazda Miata ( 168.86 mph


Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on April 27, 2019, 03:05:19 PM
Well,  the junkyard motor decided it had had enough of the attempts to go 200 and threw up the  :flag_of_truce:

It blew a head gasket at about half track and still ran over 160 spewing steam.

The goal was to make concentrated steps to make sure the changes to the car and engine were what's needed to go 200.

Stay tuned for more in the future.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: ZOA NOM on April 27, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
 uh huh...(popcorn)


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on April 27, 2019, 05:59:46 PM
uh huh...(popcorn)

KODYSB

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: Pat Conlon on April 27, 2019, 06:26:26 PM

Bet that poor engine wished it stayed in a truck, still, I gotta hand it to Chevy...


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: fj1289 on April 28, 2019, 11:26:09 AM
Bring it out to Colorado!!!



Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: ZOA NOM on April 28, 2019, 05:48:01 PM
 It is a Miata after all... :bomb: :rofl:


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on April 28, 2019, 07:12:18 PM
It is a Miata after all... :bomb: :rofl:

That's true and so much inline with your Por-she. Both are converted street cars, not "Real Race Cars".

Now, I hope you are getting ready for the road race match up. Once we get to 200 it is going to be set up for the track and the times will be compared.

Remember, you already are 0-2 when it comes to the real race cars: Both the Legend and the Thunder Roadster based on lap times. Once you get waxed by the Miata, what's the excuse going to be...? :wacko3:

You better start getting ready, come 2020 the road race is on. For this year, we are going to try once more the elusive 200 MPH...
Roast me.   :drinks:

https://youtu.be/H6VN0bG8stk

BTW, we watched the in-car video you recently posted, you look and sound like you are on a Sunday drive...

Watch the hands, this driving bro: https://youtu.be/Hbr-edgIlM4?t=462

Oh yeah, that is Robert in the red car spinning me out at about 8:45... A complete spin and right back in it, too bad it broken the clutch basket and started slipping the clutch only to fully grenade a little later in the race.

Pay real close attention at about 20:45. He is driving it: counter steering and shifting at the same time...

Ryan did have a bad day that day only to have to capped off at 32:49 when the lower third link mount broke after the race ended...Got everything out of that real race car that day.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: ZOA NOM on April 28, 2019, 07:33:49 PM
Lap times between two different cars tells us nothing. You beat my lap time in my car and we can talk. Or vice-versa.


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on April 29, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
Lap times between two different cars tells us nothing. You beat my lap time in my car and we can talk. Or vice-versa.


I guess I misunderstood. You have been telling everyone how your Por-she is a race car compared to the "clown cars", yet they are faster on track.
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=18561.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=18561.0)
...at least I don't look like I'm riding around in a clown car... :bomb:


Now, it is not about racing a Por-she or a Legends Car, its about who is the better driver; nice redirect.

I will come and drive your car anytime, then maybe I can improve on the set-up in the car.

When I get the time to go back to racing, you can have a turn in a real race car and see how you do.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: racerrad8 on April 29, 2019, 09:10:47 AM
http://www.speedhunters.com/2019/04/god-bless-america-never-lift-day-one/#_presentation-431270 (http://www.speedhunters.com/2019/04/god-bless-america-never-lift-day-one/#_presentation-431270)

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Ryan's mental 1/2 mile Miata
Post by: ZOA NOM on April 29, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
I think at this point it's moved away from fun jibes. I'll let it be.