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Title: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 10, 2019, 09:11:44 PM
Of all the HUD promises (Skully, Jarvish, etc) this one has the best chance of happening.

https://japantoday.com/category/tech/shoei-to-release-hud-equipped-motorbike-helmet-in-2020



Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ZOA NOM on February 10, 2019, 10:35:53 PM
No thanks.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 11, 2019, 12:26:24 AM
Ever try one Rick? If so, what did you not like?
I have never tried one, so I have no opinion. I'll keep an open mind.
I can appreciate the logic of not looking down, taking your eyes off the road and focusing your vision on the GPS map displayed on your iPhone.

I learned my lesson on preconceived opinions...I distinctly remember thinking that grip heaters and electric vests were for pussies.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ZOA NOM on February 11, 2019, 04:33:25 AM
Ever try one Rick? If so, what did you not like?
I have never tried one, so I have no opinion. I'll keep an open mind.
I can appreciate the logic of not looking down, taking your eyes off the road and focusing your vision on the GPS map displayed on your iPhone.

I learned my lesson on preconceived opinions...I distinctly remember thinking that grip heaters and electric vests were for pussies.

Nope, never tried one, and I likely won't. Maybe if I rode a Beemer, or a fancy new Ducati, but I'm stuck in the 90's, and I like it that way.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: TexasDave on February 11, 2019, 05:48:47 AM
On sale for somewhere between $1,089 to $1,361. I guess the target market is BMW and Ducati riders. I don't think I will be buying one anytime soon. By the time the price is low enough to have this on every helmet I will be to old to ride. For this price I would at least expect to have my SPEED displayed. If they would have a HUD display of available weapons and a sighting system for cagers on cell phones I would buy one today.

Dave


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Motofun on February 11, 2019, 06:18:33 AM
That price, and considering that helmets are often one-time-use-only.  Coupled with the thought that helmets are supposed to be swapped out every 5 years.....


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 11, 2019, 07:54:54 AM

I can appreciate the logic of not looking down, taking your eyes off the road and focusing your vision on the GPS map displayed on your iPhone.


Pat, the one thing they don't seem to address is a visor is way too close to focus on, that's why VR goggles and military pilot helmet mounted HUD's are further away from the eye. At our age, the nearest clear focal point is probably arms length away.

I have said repeatedly, this is the best money I ever spent on the FJ (and probably the least), a GPS/HUD speedo....

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3909/14631121138_6af4bf56a8_c.jpg)
FJ1200

Works in full sun from any angle without the dark tinted patch.

It doesn't work on all screens but a GPS digital speedo ($50 or less) plonked on top of the instruments does much the same thing.
I've had that for years and there's not a day I ride it that it doesn't make me smile at just what a great improvement it is.

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 11, 2019, 08:14:44 AM

 I learned my lesson on preconceived opinions...I distinctly remember thinking that grip heaters and electric vests were for pussies.


....and GPS.

Pat, just last night I was reading through a file of replies I never actually posted and found one of you bagging GPS in favour of paper maps, it was quite a few years back.

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 11, 2019, 12:55:49 PM
Yes, I’m a Luddite, I still like my paper maps, in the morning, with my eggs and coffee...I make notes and refer to those notes on the ride. That’s easier (for me) than trying to read a map while moving.

I have always appreciated GPS in my car, was unsure about GPS on bikes, but a recent experience changed my mind. I went out for a ride thru southern Arizona, beautiful ride, long day, I ended up in Tucson, AZ, downtown Tucson at 20:00hrs and I was tired. I needed to find a restaurant to meet some folks...unfamiliar city at night, downtown fucking traffic, hungry, tired, running late, past my bed time, missed my afternoon nap, cranky.....

Yea, there’s a time and place for GPS on my bike....I just don’t want to look down. The audio directions thru my Sena helmet speakers are helpful but not enough.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Paul.1478 on February 11, 2019, 01:19:34 PM
I like to be riding when I am riding not paying attention to whats on the I-pod or looking to take a call. I only listen to the radio on my wing, otherwise I listen to the bike and the voices in my head...


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ryanschoebel on February 11, 2019, 02:26:37 PM
I went out for a ride thru southern Arizona, beautiful ride, long day, I ended up in Tucson, AZ, downtown Tucson

That's a heck of a ride! Me and my brother recently took a trip down to Tombstone AZ, and I like paper maps too. I would just refer to the map as we went, but I'm by no means opposed to GPS. If i could have GPS on a HUD, that would be cool, I think!


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 11, 2019, 04:02:25 PM
Hi Ryan, yep, a long day for sure....left Palm Desert at 0400 and traveling east, watching the eastern horizon change colors in a beautiful (beyond words) sunrise....

I'm toasty warm with my grip heaters and electric vest, my FJ singing her happy kookaloo song, while the sun is rising over the desert....
....special moments in life...


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ZOA NOM on February 11, 2019, 04:32:32 PM
I use the google maps, before I ride, all the way down to street view so I can recognize landmarks, but I prefer to see the scenery along the way, so I tuck the phone away in the bag and turn on the tunes. I like my Shoie RF1200, and I use the pinlock insert inside a very expensive auto-darkening visor and that setup, along with the Sena bluetooth has transformed riding for me. It'll take something really innovative to make me want to change my setup. Oh, I also like the bullet dashcam that loops continuously for recording stupidity on my daily commute. Shit, I have the heated grips and thermal onesie, I guess I take it all back. I think I just realized I'm not as hardcore as I thought... maybe if I lick my brake hose...


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: racerrad8 on February 11, 2019, 04:51:28 PM

I'm toasty warm with my grip heaters and electric vest, my FJ singing her happy kookaloo song, while the sun is rising over the desert....
....special moments in life...

Pat, I have a glove for you that will make the riding even better.  :good2:

Since I started riding everyday I have found them to be a nice addition to the grip warmers. I wear the everyday, at least during the cold season. I will have a write up for you guys in the next couple of weeks.

Randy - RPM


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 11, 2019, 06:19:45 PM
Sounds good Randy :good:


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Troyskie on February 12, 2019, 12:19:54 AM
Why did they decide to not put speed on the HUD? If as they say it is set up for nav the speed could change to red for example and let you know you're over the posted limit (just sayin)

Noel, the focal point for the bike HUD is planned at 1.6m, so I'm guessing they're allowing for blind people like me  :sarcastic:.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: FJ Flyer on February 12, 2019, 06:09:57 AM
I don't really care about speed.  I'm usually more aware of that.  It would be nice to have GPS displayed, with the connection to all the phone functions.  Only thing it needs is an intercom.  Its a PITA to connect up all this stuff separately, so having one stop shopping would be nice.  Only odd thing is the battery is carried on the rider, not the helmet. So that's one external connection.  I'll just have to wait long enough until it hits the close out page on motorcyclegear.com.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: rlucas on February 12, 2019, 07:20:28 AM
Yes, I’m a Luddite, I still like my paper maps...<snip>

Same here. Extensive notes, Google Maps print-outs, and detailed paper maps of every state I'll be passing through. The GPS is for letting me know where I am right now, not for telling me how to get there.



Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 12, 2019, 07:35:22 PM
I hear ya Rock.... I also appreciate GPS for finding me the closest gas station when traveling thru BFE.
Although, there were times when I needed fuel and I had no cell coverage.....

...out come the paper maps.....


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 12, 2019, 09:50:54 PM
Yes, I’m a Luddite, I still like my paper maps...<snip>

Same here. Extensive notes, Google Maps print-outs, and detailed paper maps of every state I'll be passing through.



Have you considered scanning the Google map print-outs and the paper maps into your phone?  :biggrin:


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 12, 2019, 10:01:10 PM
I hear ya Rock.... I also appreciate GPS for finding me the closest gas station when traveling thru BFE.
Although, there were times when I needed fuel and I had no cell coverage.....

...out come the paper maps.....

Pat, are you talking cell phone or GPS? GPS does not need cell coverage, and how the hell do you find current fuel stations on a paper map?

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 12, 2019, 10:39:49 PM
Hi Noel, to use the Mapquest or Googlemaps app on my iPhone, I need a cell signal.
 I don’t own a sat phone $$$.

A paper map and compass will at least get me headed towards civilization. Although a few times I have made it to town, arrived on fumes with the only station in town closed for the night.

 Lesson learned (you would think)

Have you considered scanning the Google map print-outs and the paper maps into your phone?  :biggrin:

Noel, I know it’s hot down there, are you staying hydrated? Not staying out too long in the sun?
The purpose of the notes is that they are easier (for me) to read than looking down at the screen on my iPhone.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: FJORD on February 12, 2019, 11:55:11 PM
Hi Noel, to use the Mapquest or Googlemaps app on my iPhone, I need a cell signal.
 I don’t own a sat phone $$$.

Actually, at least with Android, you can download the Google map over the area you need before your trip. It stays in your phone for about a month.
I recommend that even if you are going to stay inside cell coverage the whole trip. It saves on roaming data charges plus you will always know where you are.

A paper map and compass will at least get me headed towards civilization. Although a few times I have made it to town, arrived on fumes with the only station in town closed for the night.

Having paper maps at least as a backup is essential. Electronics can fail on you at any time.
 Lesson learned (you would think)

Have you considered scanning the Google map print-outs and the paper maps into your phone?  :biggrin:

Noel, I know it’s hot down there, are you staying hydrated? Not staying out too long in the sun?
The purpose of the notes is that they are easier (for me) to read than looking down at the screen on my iPhone.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 13, 2019, 12:59:51 AM
Actually, at least with Android, you can download the Google map over the area you need before your trip. It stays in your phone for about a month.
I recommend that even if you are going to stay inside cell coverage the whole trip. It saves on roaming data charges plus you will always know where you are.

Thanks Kjell, I didn’t know that (Luddite) Please help me understand how my cell phone knows my location on the down loaded map when there is no cell signal....


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Sparky84 on February 13, 2019, 02:13:20 AM
Hi Noel, to use the Mapquest or Googlemaps app on my iPhone, I need a cell signal.
 I don’t own a sat phone $$$.

Pat, Don’t need a sat phone, just a real one, just set your phone to use GPS only to aquire your location.
Or get a GPS unit.

And it has been hot and humid down here, just had a dust storm go through from Canberra heading via Sydney to Queensland and seen on the sat phone.

Cheers
Alan


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 13, 2019, 04:15:48 AM
Sorry Pat, the "scanning into phone....." comment was a light hearted dig at Rossi, I forgot to delete your quote from his.

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 13, 2019, 04:36:32 AM

Hi Noel, to use the Mapquest or Googlemaps app on my iPhone, I need a cell signal.
 I don’t own a sat phone $$$.


Pat, we are not talking about sat phones or cell phones, the discussion was about GPS units.

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 13, 2019, 04:44:21 AM

 Please help me understand how my cell phone knows my location on the down loaded map when there is no cell signal....


My understanding is phones have partial GPS capabilities in them, usually limited to just that, identifying your position. Using google maps within cell coverage uses a mixture of GPS and ground based systems. It is likely, as happened with cameras, that in the very near future phones will have the same cababilities as dedicated GPS units, but no yet.

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: rlucas on February 13, 2019, 07:55:59 AM

Have you considered scanning the Google map print-outs and the paper maps into your phone?  :biggrin:


I'm even more of a Luddite when it comes to smart phones. I use mine for making phone calls, and very little else. It's not a camera, it's not a Web browser, it's not a GPS.

"Machete don't text"  :crazy:



Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Flynt on February 13, 2019, 10:11:59 AM
Please help me understand how my cell phone knows my location on the down loaded map when there is no cell signal....

I'll try...  pretty much any smart phone has a solid state GPS chip included along with a 3-axis accelerometer to enable electronic Dead Reckoning which calculates where you are based on where you've traveled since the last position "fix" via GPS.  Even if you don't download a map to follow before heading into a dead cell coverage zone, your position dot will continue to move along although you'll see the map information and then even your intended path (the blue line) disappear.  If you did download the map, you'll stay accurate to within the GPS limits until you lose GPS...  then DR will take over and you're position accuracy on the map will get worse over time due to cumulative errors producing a circle inside which you could be anywhere.  That circle becomes the size of GPS accuracy again when you get your next fix based on the satellites.  In the odd case of cell signal with no GPS, some phones can also self locate based on multiple cell tower signals and a form of triangulation.  

Helpful?

Frank

PS - if you want to see this whole scenario play out in real life, drive from Tahoe CA to Redmond OR via the eastern route through Susanville.  I did that several times in the past few months and got to see the map go away, the line go away, then the dot get to be a bigger circle when GPS was not available (that happens more than I thought it would, probably due to limited sensitivity of the phone's GPS chip).

PSS - for Noel:  there are already GPS apps for the phone that use the GPS and Accelerometer chips only...  no cell signal required.  Welcome to the near future.


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Pat Conlon on February 13, 2019, 10:57:43 AM
Well alrighty then, thanks Frank!


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Tuned forks on February 13, 2019, 04:52:10 PM
Frank, that was a really helpful explanation.  Thank you.  I always thought that smart phones must have an accelerometer in them but couldn't figure out how they could have been miniaturized.  Amazing what's inside those suckers.

Joe


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 13, 2019, 07:29:06 PM

Have you considered scanning the Google map print-outs and the paper maps into your phone?  :biggrin:


I'm even more of a Luddite when it comes to smart phones. I use mine for making phone calls, and very little else. It's not a camera, it's not a Web browser, it's not a GPS.

"Machete don't text"  :crazy:


Fair enough. The important thing is you're out riding, how you find your way there doesn't really matter.

How you describe yourself suggests the humour in my post is entirely lost then.  :biggrin:

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Sparky84 on February 13, 2019, 07:38:20 PM

Have you considered scanning the Google map print-outs and the paper maps into your phone?  :biggrin:


I'm even more of a Luddite when it comes to smart phones. I use mine for making phone calls, and very little else. It's not a camera, it's not a Web browser, it's not a GPS.

"Machete don't text"  :crazy:


Fair enough. The important thing is you're out riding, how you find your way there doesn't really matter.

How you describe yourself suggests the humour in my post is entirely lost then.  :biggrin:

Noel

As long as you are heading in about the right direction...

And enjoying yourself

Cheers
Alan


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 13, 2019, 09:53:34 PM

PSS - for Noel:  there are already GPS apps for the phone that use the GPS and Accelerometer chips only...  no cell signal required.  Welcome to the near future.

Yes Frank, I know....... My current phone has GPS L1 C/A, L5, Glonass, accelerometer, 256 GB, finger print scanning, split screen, dual sim, 22mp camera and a lot of other near future features (it came with the DeLorean)

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: Mike Ramos on February 15, 2019, 09:58:58 PM
Interesting take on the subject:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/02/no_author/mankind-has-lost-the-art-of-map-reading-says-the-man-who-invented-gps/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/02/no_author/mankind-has-lost-the-art-of-map-reading-says-the-man-who-invented-gps/)


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: TexasDave on February 15, 2019, 11:56:23 PM
I don't have a GPS on my bike. Most of my fellow riders do and it is coupled to their Sena comms also. I don't have GPS on my old truck. This is handy if I want to commit a crime. Law enforcement can't place me at the scene at the time. If I had a newer vehicle I would buy a GPS jammer as many people do for privacy. Away from the eyes of the government. They already track us through our smart phones. My first work phone had GPS but it could be turned off and I did. No longer do they give you that option with newer phones. How convenient for the government.

My sister and daughter have new vehicles with large screen GPS. These are very convenient for travel. Locate the next gas, food lodging, average speed, MPG, your location, direction, almost everything. There are a lot of advantages to having GPS.

I grew up before GPS. I like looking at and planning trips with paper maps. I get to see the whole state and all the roads, airports, monuments and small towns with funny names. I think there a lot of advantage to having paper maps.

I think both are adventageous and one of these days there will be GPS on my bike but not on any of my vehicles.

Dave


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 16, 2019, 07:54:16 AM

I grew up before GPS. I like looking at and planning trips with paper maps. I get to see the whole state and all the roads, airports, monuments and small towns with funny names. I think there a lot of advantage to having paper maps.

Dave

Dave, do you ever play with google maps on your PC?

One problem I never reconciled with paper maps was that any map big enough to cover a decent days riding was of a scale that showed no detail, great if you just want to get somewhere but no good if you want to get there via back country.

I guess how much embrace GPS and like or dislike maps depends on the frequency and type of riding we do. I simply could not do the rides I do with maps. Of the rides I could do with maps it's more trouble and time than it's worth and I would end up at some point chucking it in and head for the nearest highway (if I could find it) to complete my trip.

Don't forget Dave, I also grew up before GPS and spent the first 40 years navigating with maps, road atlas's, written directions, verbal directions, auto club tailored strip maps, maps showing street directories of any towns you may need to find something in, like accommodation etc. Then there's the dark, the rain, the wind, not knowing where you are anyway, the missing road signs, the running out of fuel when you missed a turn only to discover after a miserable night in the bush there was a servo just out of sight around the next bend. I've even knocked on farm doors in the middle of the night seeking fuel, shelter or directions and not being game to head down any road that's not on the map because you have no idea where it goes.

I'm sure nostalgia plays some part in peoples affection for maps but as someone who spent decades riding the country with them, maps suck!

Now Dave, tell us more about what it is you do that requires being invisible to the govt...........


Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: ribbert on February 16, 2019, 08:16:56 AM
Interesting take on the subject:


I don't get the significance of his observation or why it's been reported.

There is nothing new about the masses adopting a better way to do something and in the process abandoning the old way, it's been happening since the beginning of time.

And, map reading for basic navigation is incredibly simple, there's nothing to forget how to do. Paper map nav skills are still required for pilots  (and others), even though they don't use them routinely, and I imagine always will be.

Noel


Title: Re: Shoei to introduce helmets with HUD next year 2020
Post by: giantkiller on February 16, 2019, 11:12:24 AM
GPS is amazing. A friend of mine is one of those guys that always has the newest tech. Anyway we went atving in the flat tops Colorado. Set up camp at Bear lake. I think it was about 9000ft. You could ride about a hundred miles on trails in all 4 directions. He had one of the  first hand held GPS units. It was back when GPS only gave coordinates, and a Bigg Colorado gazzatere. He wanted to see if we could get from the end of one trail over to the end of another. So we didn't have to backtrack. We were way out in no trails what so ever. When he pulls out the gazzatere and gps. He has his head down in the gazzatere. And just pointed off to the left, and says "there should be a stream over there". I couldn't see anything. So I rode over in that direction. And sure enough a few hundred feet away I found a tiny stream you couldn't even see. We made it to within about ten miles of the other trail and came up to a small cliff that we couldn't get around. And had to turn around. Had to ride the mountains in the dark. To get back to camp. But made a believer in GPS outta me.