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Title: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on April 25, 2010, 07:42:11 AM
I finished my mods today.
1992 fzr 1000 front wheel with 2000 R1 front calipers and 2000 ducati front rotors with Pilot Road 2 Tire 120/60/17
1988 fzr 1000 rear wheel with Braking rotor with Pilot Road 2 Rear Tire 180/60/18
I'm looking forward to bleeding the brakes and breaking in the tires checking all the bolts changing the front and rear sprockets  :biggrin:

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Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: Dan Filetti on April 25, 2010, 09:51:08 AM
Looks sharp!

Well done.

Dan
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: Mark Olson on April 25, 2010, 10:39:48 AM
that looks nice and clean, good job :good2:
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: fj1289 on April 25, 2010, 11:54:56 AM
Very nice! 

What master cylinder are you running for the brakes?  Did you do the two line setup for the brakes (double banjo at the master)?

Any upgrades to the forks yet?  Noticed the rear shock reservoir. 

QuoteI'm looking forward to bleeding the brakes and breaking in the tires checking all the bolts changing the front and rear sprockets 

Well hurry up and enjoy the ride!   :good2:
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: Travis398 on April 25, 2010, 12:28:01 PM
very nice  :good2:
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: Firehawk068 on April 25, 2010, 03:35:07 PM
That is one sharp looking FJ. I wish mine would look that good once I'm finished with her. :good:
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: carsick on April 25, 2010, 08:11:11 PM
Those white wheels are bitchin! I'm on a similar mod path and am very excited as well to give it a test run. Hey, remember to break those tires in easy, learn from other's mistakes!
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on April 25, 2010, 09:18:35 PM
thanks guys for the feed back.
I bled the brakes flushing out my "super blue" fluid with a clear brake fluid.  :crazy:
The master cylinder is oem to the bike with the split at to same location as stock.
I want  switch to a different front MC but I'll have to do some research on what to put on.
I used the link http://www.fjmods.btinternet.co.uk/Pictures/Genesis.jpg (http://www.fjmods.btinternet.co.uk/Pictures/Genesis.jpg) for the upgrade but I found one error in it.
Maybe i misunderstood but i had to use two of the rear left spacers... one on each side. one in the oem left location and one between the right bearing and the rear disc brake bracket.
There is no "oil seal" other then the seals on the bearings on the right rear side unless I can source on from another bike. the rear wheel is the 88 fzr and the bearing od is the same as the stock fzr1000 bearing but I had to get a bearing with the 20mm id as the fj1100 had.
if anyone knows a oil seal which will fit let me know.
The front forks are 1988 fzr1000 with progressive springs and 20wt oil. I think i'm going to have an issue with dive under braking. I still have to mod the top triple clamp for the fj1100 ignition switch which i don't like the look of but both bike use the same part and no way to get around the fzr1000 part.
The rear shock btw is a fox. really adjustable for everything.

The other mods i did are:
wiseco 10.5 to 1
megacycle midrange cams w/adjustable sprockets
manual timing adjust
titanium retainers
ape springs and head bolts
new oem tank and tail
plus plus plus

Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: Fred on April 26, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
Looks sharp! Nice work!
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: blackboat on April 26, 2010, 09:59:34 AM
Being in the middle of a similar swap (YZF600 rear, FZR1000 front, R1 blue dots on existing stainless lines, R1 master cylinder) I have but one suggestion: Use some blocking inside of the calipers and bleed the brakes before installing the front wheel. For a change I came up with this plan before I started bleeding the brakes. Armed with a 30cc syringe and a piece of tubing I tried to force fluid in from the caliper (worked to a point), then used the syringe as a suction unit (far better; the line doesn't pop off under too much pressure). Never having bled brakes in either fashion before, I had a rare case of foresight that it might not be pretty, and left my newly painted wheels inside. And yes, made quite a mess of it for a bit. Bike unharmed, but the wheels would have been mucked up if present, same for the brake pads.

Just a bit of warning from yesterday's experience for whoever is searching for this next.

Otherwise, nice job; glad to see someone is getting close to rolling again.


Rob
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on April 26, 2010, 12:13:52 PM
how was the master cylinder swap on your bike?
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on April 26, 2010, 12:21:34 PM
Quote from: Fred on April 26, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
Looks sharp! Nice work!
a lot of planning, rebuilding and painting went into that swap
still have the top clamp to finish
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: blackboat on April 26, 2010, 01:07:53 PM
Quotehow was the master cylinder swap on your bike?

If that was aimed at me, the master cylinder swap was simple; unbolt old, bolt on new. Covered bike with drop cloths made from a couple of Hefty bags before swapping. Another bit of foresight that proved to be a good idea. I still need to do a bracket for the cup, but am waiting until I can get it back together enough to sit on it and get it placed where it pleases me (e.g., so I can see the dash and it doesn't hit anything lock to lock). I have stainless brake lines in place in the factory config, but am unhappy with the angles and lengths (wee bit snug and stressed when twisted to fit the R1 whoa parts). Will be OK for testing, but am going to replace with two single Antec/eBay lines for peace of mind. I have the stock rubber R1 lines also if the fork droop test proves too much for the current set up. Nice thing about having bought a sealed complete front system: Have all the parts and it hasn't been open to air for months seizing up. Worst thing will be bleeding the brakes yet again, but now that I figured out a vacuum method, should be lot cleaner now that I have a practice run accomplished. :yes:

Rob
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on April 26, 2010, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: blackboat on April 26, 2010, 01:07:53 PM
Quotehow was the master cylinder swap on your bike?

If that was aimed at me, the master cylinder swap was simple; unbolt old, bolt on new. Covered bike with drop cloths made from a couple of Hefty bags before swapping. Another bit of foresight that proved to be a good idea. I still need to do a bracket for the cup, but am waiting until I can get it back together enough to sit on it and get it placed where it pleases me (e.g., so I can see the dash and it doesn't hit anything lock to lock). I have stainless brake lines in place in the factory config, but am unhappy with the angles and lengths (wee bit snug and stressed when twisted to fit the R1 whoa parts). Will be OK for testing, but am going to replace with two single Antec/eBay lines for peace of mind. I have the stock rubber R1 lines also if the fork droop test proves too much for the current set up. Nice thing about having bought a sealed complete front system: Have all the parts and it hasn't been open to air for months seizing up. Worst thing will be bleeding the brakes yet again, but now that I figured out a vacuum method, should be lot cleaner now that I have a practice run accomplished. :yes:

Rob

it sounds like the upgrades are endless for the fj.
I'll have to look into it and the cost.
I still want to do the following:

xenon headlight
rewire head light -easy
led tail light-easy
fjr1300 FI system-semi
spin-on oil filter-easy
alarm system-easy
new corbin-easy
have my exhaust system ceramic coated-easy
cartridge forks-hard
repaint front fender-easy
new zzz chain-easy
new chain guard-easy
plus more



Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: the fan on April 27, 2010, 08:54:35 AM
For those of you considering the R6 or R1 14mm master, give the 06+ R6 radial master a try. I just installed one on my YZF in place of the R1 14mm master that I used in the past and the brakes were fantastic. I was surprised that I seemed to gain not only better feel but more power from the new set-up.
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on April 27, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
with great rotors and good calipers I would be stupid to keep the old fj1100 master cylinder.
thats my next project.
for now my brakes are bled all i need to do is to balance my wheels (thanks harbor freight and Napa) change my rear sprocket15/42 (those 55mph first gear runs are not for me with the 17/38 sprockets) and rebuild my clutch slave friday and I'm riding.
My wife and I looked are the 2010 $27K Spyder she wants us to get. She's buying but my FJ1100/1200 stays.
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on May 01, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
my first impression of the bike with modifications
never paint wheels white.....
I did a 150 mile ride today.
scrubbed in the tires...wow the bike feels so much more confident. the long sweeping turns are just awesome, be in the right gear and point and click. the bike no longer feels like a shopping carriage. I rode with my CMA buddies and they mostly ride cruisers. Other then myself there were only 2 sport touring in a field of 30+ bikes.
The R1 brakes are everything i had hoped and more. I do need to change the M/C but that can wait a few weeks.
I also found my front end dive more then I am happy with. the 88 fzr1000 forks had progressive spring and the are way to soft.
Any idea on springs???
I weight 205lbs with full leathers and boots.




Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: Yamifj1200 on May 01, 2010, 05:53:39 PM
1.0kg straight rate springs.... Traxxon sells a nice set Omni springs if I remember correctly... you wont be unhappy..

Eric M
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: Pat Conlon on May 01, 2010, 11:19:00 PM
Quote from: ccsct203 on April 27, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
"...... change my rear sprocket 15/42 (those 55mph first gear runs are not for me with the 17/38 sprockets)


Is that a misprint? You went to a 15 tooth counter sprocket? Why?
I understand about the 17/38 being a bit tall, but sheesh, that's quite a change.
With the 15/42 combo, what are your rpms at a 70-80mph cruise? Planning on any long trips?

Several FJ'ers have found that our chains seen to last a bit longer when we switched from the oem 17 to a the bigger 18 tooth c/s. A 15 tooth c/s is tiny, and it's gotta be hard on the chain.

Congrats, your bike looks great! 
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on May 03, 2010, 03:34:19 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on May 01, 2010, 11:19:00 PM
Quote from: ccsct203 on April 27, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
"...... change my rear sprocket 15/42 (those 55mph first gear runs are not for me with the 17/38 sprockets)


Is that a misprint? You went to a 15 tooth counter sprocket? Why?
I understand about the 17/38 being a bit tall, but sheesh, that's quite a change.
With the 15/42 combo, what are your rpms at a 70-80mph cruise? Planning on any long trips?

Several FJ'ers have found that our chains seen to last a bit longer when we switched from the oem 17 to a the bigger 18 tooth c/s. A 15 tooth c/s is tiny, and it's gotta be hard on the chain.

Congrats, your bike looks great! 

great point
I had real issues with my 17/38 sprockets
With the Mikuni Flats i needed to down shift uphills because the bike would bog down (Too rich still)
I wanted to see how it would run seeing the ride would be mostly Connecticut back roads and twisties.
The bike did great.
Gearing does need to be changed. My cams are mid range torque cams and the 17/40 may work better then the 17/38
I'll have to play with the final counter and the rear sprockets
I need a good all around ratio for highway and back roads
Ideas?
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: SlowOldGuy on May 03, 2010, 04:49:13 PM
I like my current 18/42 combination

DavidR.
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on May 03, 2010, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on May 03, 2010, 04:49:13 PM
I like my current 18/42 combination

DavidR.
David,
I did the comparison with  stock and you are fairly close to oem. I guess you will have less wear with the 18 tooth front.
I installed 17/43 and i'll be running about 4150 rpm at 65 compared to your 70 mph at the same rpm.
stock is about 69mph at 4150rpm
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: SlowOldGuy on May 04, 2010, 01:18:24 PM
For the 1100, the stock combination was 17/42. 
I went with the 18 to get a little more gear for all the stupid straight roads down here.  The FJ easily pulls this combo.  Could help with chain wear, I've got a DID VM with over 20k on it and have never had to adjust it.  I'm not a big chain maintenance type either.  Probably lube it twice a year and a shot of WD-40 maybe once a month (when I remember).

DavidR.
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: wags89 on May 05, 2010, 02:39:03 AM
Bike looks great! Is the "blue page" the only resource you used for the conversion(rear wheel) I bought an FZR1000 4.5x18 wheel last year off ebay (at least that's what he said it was from). It looks like yours – I also bought a red one (same story). Is there any way to tell for sure if it's the correct wheel? Anyway, I tried to enlarge the diagrams at the bottom of the page, for the spacers, etc. but I guess my eyes are going bad – I can't read some of the dimensions. Trying to get this done before an upcoming ride('specially cause the old back tire is shot) Thanks for any help, Wags
I think I sent a PM to ya - but I'm having some issues with outlook
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: ccsct203 on May 05, 2010, 06:28:41 AM
starting from the cush drive...
the staggered spacer in the cush drive get reduced on the wheel bearing side by 2mm
the center spacer between bearings get manufactured it is 132mm with a id of 120mm and max od of 125mm.
the spacer on the brake rotor side is the same bearing spacer used between the left swing arm and cush drive. buy at Bikebandit.com under oem parts for the FJ1100
have the brake arm milled 2mm on the inside and 5mm on the outside.
there is no seal on the brake rotor bearing so make sure you use "sealed bearings" not shielded or open bearings.
Title: Re: My fj1200 Wheel Mods 1992 fzr1000 front 1988 fzr 1000 rear Finished
Post by: Alf on February 11, 2019, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: ccsct203 on May 05, 2010, 06:28:41 AM

there is no seal on the brake rotor bearing so make sure you use "sealed bearings" not shielded or open bearings.


The wheel bearings (2) size are 20x47x14,  6204RS code
The seal measures are 20x40x7.

I´m now working in this conversion for a friend