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Title: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: FCBIII on September 13, 2020, 07:01:37 AM
I normally ride my 91 FJ1200 during the day. Last week I took a day trip up in the mountains and had about an hour's ride home in the dark and realized how inadequate the stock headlight is. Has anyone installed an LED bulb in their FJ?


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: aviationfred on September 13, 2020, 06:31:59 PM
Yes, many have tried H.I.D. bulbs, and LED bulbs. As far as an LED bjlb goes, the key to finding one that is adequate is the wording is LED Conversion. This helps with having the correct distance between the LED and the rear reflector.

With that being said, even with a massive increase of Lumins out put, you get a marginal increase of lighting. The best path to go is installing a pair of Auxiliary lights. Many have done it and have reported great results. The Renntech crash bars make a great mounting point for the Auxiliary lights.

Fred


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: FJ Flyer on September 14, 2020, 05:04:53 AM
First question that always gets asked: Did you try the relay mod, yet?  Makes a big difference.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Ted Schefelbein on September 14, 2020, 07:17:02 AM
First question that always gets asked: Did you try the relay mod, yet?  Makes a big difference.

+1. I would not have believed it if I hadn’t seen it. I tend to ride in daylight as well, but, feel I can pull off an evening ride when need be. The relay on the head lamps is a big help.

Ted


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Bones on September 14, 2020, 03:12:21 PM
For best results when choosing an LED bulb look for ones that mimic the standard halogen in appearance. If you look at a halogen you’ll see they have shields built in to obviously direct light, most LEDs don’t, they have uncovered chips that will just scatter light everywhere, but some do have shields over the chips in an attempt to direct light. I have one of them fitted and have been behind and passed plenty of oncoming cop cars in low beam with no problems so obviously it doesn’t blind them. LEDs aren’t known for good high beam throw either, and although I haven’t tested mine at night yet it had a good high beam on a tree across the road one dark foggy morning going to work.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 14, 2020, 03:36:02 PM
I currently have a LED in my FJ from Xenon Depot.
My impression is that this LED bulb does not put out the same amount of lumens my old 65/100 watt halogen bulb.
It appears that my light output is dimmer with the LED bulb in my FJ.

I recently bought a light meter and I will take some measurements and report back. It will be awhile, all my stuff is packed away while I’m living in a rental house.

Also....We know the headlight relay mod is very beneficial for halogen bulbs, no question....but I am not sure the relay mod benefits LED bulbs the same amount.


 


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Old Rider on September 14, 2020, 04:11:03 PM
I was thinking of installing a LED headlight bulb because i had bad light ,but after i installed the relays and washed the reflector and inside of glass lens
and installed a Phillips racing vision 60/55w the light is now so bright that I'm not going to install a LED bulb. Just came home from a 150 km trip in the dark driving out of town and in to the dark contry roads. Very impressed by the light best light i had on any bike i think. I also got reminded of how important it is to take it easy in the dark on the trip today as a badger came right in front of the bike and before i had chance to brake or swerve  even i always ride with the brake and clutch levers covered with my fingers .i passed him before i could react.Also roger rabbit came out in the road to say hello later


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Bones on September 14, 2020, 04:17:14 PM


Also....We know the headlight relay mod is very beneficial for halogen bulbs, no question....but I am not sure the relay mod benefits LED bulbs the same amount.


 

When I first fitted my LED bulb the light was super bright but with engine running I noticed it would flicker at idle, did the relay mod which fixed the flicker at idle but doesn’t seem any brighter than before.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 14, 2020, 05:52:18 PM
I also got reminded of how important it is to take it easy in the dark on the trip today as a badger came right in front of the bike and before i had chance to brake or swerve  even i always ride with the brake and clutch levers covered with my fingers .i passed him before i could react.Also roger rabbit came out in the road to say hello later

At least you didn’t kill Bambi, like someone I know....


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: ribbert on September 15, 2020, 07:32:49 AM


Also....We know the headlight relay mod is very beneficial for halogen bulbs, no question....but I am not sure the relay mod benefits LED bulbs the same amount.


 

When I first fitted my LED bulb the light was super bright but with engine running I noticed it would flicker at idle, did the relay mod which fixed the flicker at idle but doesn’t seem any brighter than before.


The likely reason the relay made no difference to the brightness of the LED is the nominated operating range is usually around 8-30 volts so bumping the power up to a full 12v with a relay won’t really make it any brighter.
Not to confuse headlight brightness with useable beam, it’s interesting that many new vehicles are still using Halogen high beams in HID / LED combinations.

I'm guessing you already know why LEDs flicker at idle.

Noel




Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Waiex191 on September 15, 2020, 10:38:28 AM
I put an LED bulb in my 6V GN400.  It strobes at idle!  Anything is an improvement for a GN400 though.  The separate lighting coil only has power when the bike is running, I'm pretty sure it is not connected to the battery at all.  And, it does not have much power.

On my FJ I boiled a battery once because the voltage was too high.  So I've got a pair of diodes back to back on the output of the battery, and get a 0.7V drop either way.  Works great to keep the battery from getting overcharged.  The problem is at idle, the headlight runs off the battery and it sees a 0.7V drop.  So at idle I've got poor lighting, but I'm usually not going very fast.  My FJ lights seem great at night for normal riding though.  Maybe it was all those years on the GN400!


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Bones on September 15, 2020, 02:25:45 PM




I'm guessing you already know why LEDs flicker at idle.

Noel





I have no idea Noel, probably because it was at the low end of its voltage range combined with electrical interference?


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: FJmonkey on September 15, 2020, 03:15:44 PM
I use an HID kit from DDM tuning. Very bright at night, at 5000K it is like having a sliver of the Sun shooting out front. But a bit more involved to install as you need to mount the ballast and HiLo controller under the fairing as well. A bright LED that does not need a fan, and still fits in the tight space, would be a much better solution for most. Karl was messing with an LED lamp. I will ping him to see if he found one that works well.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 15, 2020, 03:31:31 PM
One time, at band camp......

Monkey Mark was following me back to the KOA after a WCR dinner in Pet the Tuna....

His HID was so friggin bright...I had to adjust my mirrors downward.....I could see my shadow projected on the road in front of me....yea,  a sliver of the sun is a good description...


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: FJmonkey on September 15, 2020, 04:15:09 PM
This one works in an FJ, Ebay 323860418756 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=323860418756&_sacat=0)


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Sparky84 on September 15, 2020, 05:17:52 PM
This one works Great too, no modifications required, just have to adjust you light Down all the way. Also love the high beam on it

https://www.cyclopsadventuresports.com/Cyclops-100-H4-LED-headlight-bulb_p_192.html (https://www.cyclopsadventuresports.com/Cyclops-100-H4-LED-headlight-bulb_p_192.html)


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: FJmonkey on September 15, 2020, 06:09:17 PM
The tail on the Cyclops is clever. The H4 plug is moved to allow room for the cooling fins.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Sparky84 on September 15, 2020, 06:47:37 PM
Agreed, it was so easy to fit, plenty of space around it, you can hear the inbuilt fan buzzing when you turn ignition to On.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: CutterBill on September 15, 2020, 08:56:59 PM
At least you didn’t kill Bambi, like someone I know....

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Bones on September 16, 2020, 05:48:33 AM
This is the bulb I have fitted, note the shields around the chips.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254170878936 (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254170878936)


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: giantkiller on September 16, 2020, 06:50:10 AM
This is the bulb I have fitted, note the shields around the chips.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254170878936 (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254170878936)
Have you had any problems with heat since no fan. And do you think the out put is a lot better.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: ribbert on September 16, 2020, 08:19:45 AM
I use an HID kit from DDM tuning. Very bright at night, at 5000K it is like having a sliver of the Sun shooting out front. But a bit more involved to install as you need to mount the ballast and HiLo controller under the fairing as well.

HID's make it very busy under the fairing.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7512/27546499551_501b90ab08_b.jpg)

Mark, I have an HID that was the best I could buy at the time, it's blindingly bright but doesn't throw a decent beam. When it dies I will replace it with an LED as it's no longer my main driving light but I'm curious to know, you say your headlight is like a sliver of Sun, would you rate it as a comfortably adequate beam to ride at say 70 mph in the absence of all street lighting?

Noel


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: FJmonkey on September 16, 2020, 09:19:28 AM
Mark, I have an HID that was the best I could buy at the time, it's blindingly bright but doesn't throw a decent beam. When it dies I will replace it with an LED as it's no longer my main driving light but I'm curious to know, you say your headlight is like a sliver of Sun, would you rate it as a comfortably adequate beam to ride at say 70 mph in the absence of all street lighting?

Noel

Yes Noel, my first night ride after installing it was the day Klavdy argued with a Pinecone and lost, when he was here in the states. Getting Klavdy and his bike sorted took all the time out of the daylight. I was many miles from home, on forest mountain roads with no lighting. And I had a tinted visor only. I had to slow for corners as the single beam shoots forward when you need the beam to sweep into the curve. The amount of light and ability to see the road and surrounding area was quite good.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Bones on September 16, 2020, 03:46:12 PM
This is the bulb I have fitted, note the shields around the chips.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254170878936 (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254170878936)
Have you had any problems with heat since no fan. And do you think the out put is a lot better.

No Dan, no problem with heat at all. My headlight has no off switch so runs all the time the key is on,  I ride year round and summer in Australia gets very hot. The bulb has been fitted for two years now but have a spare if it ever fails as they come as a pair.
I don’t ride at night so can’t comment on what it’s like in the dark, but was surprised one dim foggy morning getting ready to head off to work sitting there idling on at how bright it was shining on the tree next door, did a few high/low flicks and the penetration on both beams was very good, even when taking off the beam was clearly visible on the houses and trees across the road. I have video of it taken from my dash cam but since photobucket changed have no way of posting pics or videos.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 16, 2020, 04:02:48 PM
Hey Tony, I’m a believer of Murphy’s Law, the less moving parts the better...
Your choice for LED looks interesting, with that big heat sink, can you fit the dust boot with that bulb?

Cheers

Pat


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Bones on September 16, 2020, 05:55:09 PM
I had to modify the rubber boot a bit to fit it, but yes it’s on there Pat.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: krusty on September 16, 2020, 10:55:11 PM
This is the bulb I have fitted, note the shields around the chips.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254170878936 (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/254170878936)
Have you had any problems with heat since no fan. And do you think the out put is a lot better.

No Dan, no problem with heat at all. My headlight has no off switch so runs all the time the key is on,  I ride year round and summer in Australia gets very hot. The bulb has been fitted for two years now but have a spare if it ever fails as they come as a pair.
I don’t ride at night so can’t comment on what it’s like in the dark, but was surprised one dim foggy morning getting ready to head off to work sitting there idling on at how bright it was shining on the tree next door, did a few high/low flicks and the penetration on both beams was very good, even when taking off the beam was clearly visible on the houses and trees across the road. I have video of it taken from my dash cam but since photobucket changed have no way of posting pics or videos.

If your 93 is like my 95 (before it was nicked) the headlight switch is there but with the outer part of the switch (the bit the thumb pushes) has been removed and blanked off. This was an ADR requirement at the time requiring daylight HL running). The switch on mine was blanked off with black Silastic which I was able to dig out. I would normally ride with the HL on but if I needed to switch it off during maintenance, for example, I could do that with a small screw driver in the slot that the thumb bit would normally occupy. I was too lazy to source the outer switch bit and fit it.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Bones on September 16, 2020, 11:38:17 PM
My right side switchblock is only about an inch wide Crusty and solid plastic, just wide enough to fit the kill switch and start button. The left one is two inches wide with horn button, indicator switch, high/low switch, hazard light switch, and red pass lever. (headlight flash). Strange how your later model had that fitted when mine hasn’t.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: krusty on September 17, 2020, 12:55:28 AM
My right side switchblock is only about an inch wide Crusty and solid plastic, just wide enough to fit the kill switch and start button. The left one is two inches wide with horn button, indicator switch, high/low switch, hazard light switch, and red pass lever. (headlight flash). Strange how your later model had that fitted when mine hasn’t.
The headlight switch is in the left switch block. The 91 is an Australian model. The 95 mentioned earlier was a Japanese grey import. They were  identical except for the modified HL switch.
Here is a pic of my 91 model with the black switch slider.



Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: Bones on September 17, 2020, 01:21:11 AM
I have that same switch on mine but it’s for the hazard lights. Where yours says lights mine says hazard. They must’ve used that same switch for different purposes.


Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: ribbert on September 17, 2020, 08:00:57 AM
.... The amount of light and ability to see the road and surrounding area was quite good.


(https://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/cyclops-motorcycle-driving-lights-night-ride-m.jpg)

Illumination is difficult to describe, it would be interesting to see how folks compare their various mods to this for example.

Noel




Title: Re: Headlight LED bulb
Post by: ZOA NOM on September 17, 2020, 11:13:30 PM

Monkey Mark was following me back to the KOA after a WCR dinner in Pet the Tuna....



I call BS... I've never seen anyone BEHIND Pat...