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Title: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: irishluck on October 26, 2011, 10:19:11 AM
Im sure you all know me by now, but id like to help out and get you guys some parts if needed. I started a business. Xtreme Industries, LLC.
Website is being constructed as we speak.

Right now I'm getting ready to order some Volar brake pads. Can be purchased for $10 a set.
The pads I am buying are for the 86-87 and 89-90 fj1200 front pads. No pads available for the FJ1100 at the moment. These are Organic type pads. Let me know if anyone wants some!

[email protected]


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: FJ111200 on October 26, 2011, 10:24:37 AM
All the best with it mate.  Can't be easy in this day and age.

But i think that you'll find that the FJ1100 front pads are the same as the 86-87 front pads, which are also the same as the rear pads on all models.

HTH.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Marsh White on October 26, 2011, 11:15:23 AM
Holy Shit!  Guys...I'm sorry - but life is too short.  That's all I can take.  I try REALLY hard to be Politically Correct and shit - but I've just gotta ban this fucker for my own personal sanity.  The utter lack of IQ on this kid is staggering.  I feel like even being slightly exposed to him via this forum is lowering my intelligence.  I'm sure there will be plenty of other sources of entertainment crop up in the future - but I've got to pull the plug on this one.

Not that I feel the need for justification of any kind (because I just snapped with the stupidity of this kid - so fuck it) - but according to the poll on this website - the majority of voters do believe I should ban him permanently.  So there!


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: delarbreavous on October 26, 2011, 11:42:12 AM
I second this motion

And I totally understand you Marsh.

Alain


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: andyb on October 26, 2011, 12:34:05 PM
ahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahha


Delete the entire thread.



Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: markmartin on October 26, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
I couldn't have said it better Marsh. Yep, pull the plug! Enough is enough. I gave up on him when he started lying.    


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Mark Olson on October 26, 2011, 01:18:22 PM
I thank you for pulling the plug.  :yahoo:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Flyover Country Joe on October 26, 2011, 04:35:05 PM
I was a little surprised to see him hawking his wares on here. Can't really decide if he is ballsy or clueless......... :dash2:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: tmkaos on October 26, 2011, 04:52:35 PM
I'm intrigued... What on earth has this guy done?  :unknown:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Dan Filetti on October 26, 2011, 05:34:18 PM
I'm intrigued... What on earth has this guy done?  :unknown:

He's been a belligerent idiot, that has single-handedly wasted many hours of the lives of some fine folks that tried, to no avail, to help him.  What did they get for all of their effort?  Answer: wrong-headed, attitudinal, dishonest, stubborn, idiocy, and a complete lack of appreciation.

He has personally wastes many hours of my life that I will never get back. 

Ban the fucker.

That is all.

Dan


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: axiom-r on October 26, 2011, 06:04:52 PM
Gotta agree on the ban- but don't take down the posts... we may want to refer to them for the next next guy that is starting down this road...

Thank you Marsh-



Tim


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Arnie on October 26, 2011, 07:03:10 PM
Marsh -

You got all my hands in the air waving agreement to banning him.
  (should have been done long ago)

Arnie


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: rktmanfj on October 26, 2011, 07:30:42 PM

 (popcorn)

WTF are we going to do with all this popcorn now??

I'll bet a beer (collect at any ECSR or ECFR) he comes back under another s/n.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: fj11.5 on October 26, 2011, 07:32:10 PM
organic brake pads ,hope it was a typo :sarcastic:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Marsh White on October 26, 2011, 07:44:19 PM
I'll bet a beer (collect at any ECSR or ECFR) he comes back under another s/n.

He already sent me an e-mail saying he'll do just that.  Keep an eye out - he's not hard to spot!


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: 1tinindian on October 26, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
I'll bet a beer (collect at any ECSR or ECFR) he comes back under another s/n.

He already sent me an e-mail saying he'll do just that.  Keep an eye out - he's not hard to spot!

ahhh.... "Let the troll hunt BEGIN"!!


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: FJmonkey on October 26, 2011, 09:16:59 PM
I'll bet a beer (collect at any ECSR or ECFR) he comes back under another s/n.
He already sent me an e-mail saying he'll do just that.  Keep an eye out - he's not hard to spot!
I wonder how long he will stay under the radar? If he stays true to himself he will stand out like turd in the punch bowl. I am not gonna question every new member just because IL says he intends to get a new s/n. Maybe he wants us to think that, hoping the pot gets stirred some more. If he can come back as a decent human and contributing club member then I really don't care what his name is. But the moment he shows his colors, ban him to 20 years in the electric chair.  :ireful:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: fj11.5 on October 27, 2011, 06:57:21 AM
i didnt see much of il,s behavior ,but he sounds like a Woftas ,'waist of fucking time and space


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: SlowOldGuy on October 27, 2011, 08:22:23 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Don't ban him!  He's the best source of irritainment we've ever had.  I was waiting to see how he would work the sale of all the parts off his parted out bikes into his new "business."

Gotta give him points for trying.  Although Country Joe does bring up a good question. 

Besides, I don't think he ever finished his carb rebuild. 

Probably Randy and Dan's fault for being so mean to him.  :-)  :-)

DavidR.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: terryk on October 27, 2011, 08:47:37 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Don't ban him!  He's the best source of irritainment we've ever had.  I was waiting to see how he would work the sale of all the parts off his parted out bikes into his new "business."

Gotta give him points for trying.  Although Country Joe does bring up a good question. 

Besides, I don't think he ever finished his carb rebuild. 

Probably Randy and Dan's fault for being so mean to him.  :-)  :-)

DavidR.

For what it worth. Irishluck followed through promptly and well with his sale to me. I will say that the seat transaction was fair and reasonable.

I do not want to get into the merits of his case nor contribute to the public virtual stoning of this chap.

And, Karma is a cosmic force tied to all people and our collective humanity in total, so there you go and clearly we are all screwed.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: terryk on October 27, 2011, 08:48:32 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Don't ban him!  He's the best source of irritainment we've ever had.  I was waiting to see how he would work the sale of all the parts off his parted out bikes into his new "business."

Gotta give him points for trying.  Although Country Joe does bring up a good question. 

Besides, I don't think he ever finished his carb rebuild. 

Probably Randy and Dan's fault for being so mean to him.  :-)  :-)

DavidR.

For what it worth. Irishluck followed through promptly and well with his sale to me. I will say that the seat transaction was fair and reasonable.

I do not want to get into the merits of his case nor contribute to the public virtual stoning of this chap.

And, Karma is a cosmic force tied to all people and our collective humanity in total, so there you go and clearly we are all screwed.

Oh yeah, Kookaloo ya all.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: rktmanfj on October 27, 2011, 09:29:30 AM


Probably Randy and Dan's fault for being so mean to him.  :-)  :-)

DavidR.


I'll gladly carry that weight, David.      :biggrin:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Pat Conlon on October 27, 2011, 11:35:19 AM
.....I do not want to get into the merits of his case nor contribute to the public virtual stoning of this chap.
And, Karma is a cosmic force tied to all people and our collective humanity in total, so there you go and clearly we are all screwed.

I agree with Terry. If he wants to sell parts, so what? As long as he does not spam us.

Although "Extreme Industries LLC" is not a very original name.  I would suggest a more appropiate name like Caveat Emptor.....


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: axiom-r on October 27, 2011, 11:50:37 AM
Or perhaps "Persona Non Grata Parts"?

Karma yes...... his playing out.



Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: SlowOldGuy on October 27, 2011, 01:02:04 PM
For what it worth. Irishluck followed through promptly and well with his sale to me. I will say that the seat transaction was fair and reasonable.
I do not want to get into the merits of his case nor contribute to the public virtual stoning of this chap.
And, Karma is a cosmic force tied to all people and our collective humanity in total, so there you go and clearly we are all screwed.

So why are you quoting me?  I voted to keep him.

I enjoyed reading all the good advice that was offered and typically ignored or argued against.

Talk about negative Karma...

DavidR.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: terryk on October 27, 2011, 01:05:50 PM
For what it worth. Irishluck followed through promptly and well with his sale to me. I will say that the seat transaction was fair and reasonable.
I do not want to get into the merits of his case nor contribute to the public virtual stoning of this chap.
And, Karma is a cosmic force tied to all people and our collective humanity in total, so there you go and clearly we are all screwed.

So why are you quoting me?  I voted to keep him.

I enjoyed reading all the good advice that was offered and typically ignored or argued against.

Talk about negative Karma...

None of my comments were about you David but I can understand your conclusion so my apologies for the percoption laid that I was being critical of you.

DavidR.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: andyb on October 27, 2011, 01:19:36 PM
irritainment

One vote for word of the year, right here.  That's lovely.

That said, the fuck's he gonna do?  Change personas and suddenly post as a non-dumbfuck?  Job done then, yes?


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: rktmanfj on October 27, 2011, 01:23:56 PM
I kinda found the Xtreme Industries, LLC (yes, it does exist, according to the MO Sec of State) address a bit ironic:

316 SW BLARNEY CT
BLUE SPRINGS MO 64014



Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: FJ Flyer on October 27, 2011, 03:06:31 PM
Interesting.  I PM'd him about side scoops.  He posted pics of some pretty clapped out parts, so I passed.  Guess I was lucky? 


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Travis398 on October 27, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
I feel partly responsible for his demise.   :empathy2:

I wasn't real helpful with him the second time around, I should have been more supportive.

on another note I wonder who is designing his web page................


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: SlowOldGuy on October 27, 2011, 05:15:20 PM
irritainment

One vote for word of the year, right here.  That's lovely.

Andy,
I'd love to take credit for it, but I think it was Simi-Ed that actually came up with it.

And Randy, I knew you'd be up to the task.  :-)

DavidR.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: rktmanfj on October 27, 2011, 05:20:45 PM


And Randy, I knew you'd be up to the task.  :-)

DavidR.

Heh, he was only one source of irritainment here...    :boredom:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Dan Filetti on October 28, 2011, 06:20:10 AM


Probably Randy and Dan's fault for being so mean to him.  :-)  :-)

DavidR.


I'll gladly carry that weight, David.      :biggrin:

As will I.

Dan


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: axiom-r on October 28, 2011, 09:02:29 AM
Andy,
I'd love to take credit for it, but I think it was Simi-Ed that actually came up with it.

And Randy, I knew you'd be up to the task.  :-)

DavidR.

That is an interesting word.....  makes the creator a bit of a vocabist....

Not sure irratainment is anything I would sign up for though...  and on the karma tip- I pretty sure that most of the folks agreeing with the ban are the very same folks that tried to help the guy so time and time again. So hopefully the cosmic accounts are all still in the black....


tim


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: craigo on October 28, 2011, 12:53:04 PM
I kinda found the Xtreme Industries, LLC (yes, it does exist, according to the MO Sec of State) address a bit ironic:

316 SW BLARNEY CT
BLUE SPRINGS MO 64014


I found his website and as of yesterday, there was not a single motorcycle part on it.  However, it was set up for bike parts.  If you clicked on anything, PC and electronics came up.... Here is the link:
http://www.xtremeindustriesllc.com/ (http://www.xtremeindustriesllc.com/)

Good luck with that.... :wacko3:

CraigO


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: eddohawk on October 28, 2011, 01:57:00 PM
I looked under the Dash's and Gauges catetgory and there were TV's listed?? Dont fancy mounting a plasma to handle bars.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: FJmonkey on October 28, 2011, 07:25:30 PM
Looks like I can get a graphics card for my 86'???


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: FJTillDeath on October 31, 2011, 04:04:18 AM
I think his website is a little like what he did(or atleast tried to do) with his bike... :dash2:

Hes got the right idea, but no clue what hes actually doing :sarcastic:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Klavdy on November 06, 2011, 04:00:41 PM
Fluffy wields the BAN HAMMER.

Awesome.
Oh, and dude, it's your website, you can chuck any bastard out with absolutely no need for justification.
You've been in California too long, you're getting all touchy feely.
I blame the Nudists.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Dan Filetti on November 07, 2011, 07:13:19 AM
You've been in California too long, you're getting all touchy feely.
I blame the Nudists.

Where ya been K-man?

Dan


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Klavdy on November 10, 2011, 07:44:28 PM
Hunting radioactive substances.
True.
In Kakadu National Park, Northern Territory, Australia.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Arnie on November 10, 2011, 07:48:30 PM
Hunting radioactive substances.
True.
In Kakadu National Park, Northern Territory, Australia.

Leave it in the fuckin ground you pillager!
Kakadu needs to be protected from you and your greedy buddies.

Arnie 


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: FJmonkey on November 10, 2011, 07:49:43 PM
Hunting radioactive substances.
True.
In Kakadu National Park, Northern Territory, Australia.
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? How do you filter out your radiation to get a true reading? This not a side job for Irishluck, is it?


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Klavdy on November 11, 2011, 01:37:27 AM
Hunting radioactive substances.
True.
In Kakadu National Park, Northern Territory, Australia.

Leave it in the fuckin ground you pillager!
Kakadu needs to be protected from you and your greedy buddies.

Arnie 

Shut up, Hippy.
You are using a computer, powered by coal burning power stations.
Amongst other things,we need X-Rays, smoke detectors and cancer therapies.
Go live in a humpy, wear sack cloth and ashes.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Harvy on November 11, 2011, 02:20:35 AM
Speaking of X-Rays.......  :scratch_one-s_head:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: mst3kguy on November 11, 2011, 08:49:57 AM
Hunting radioactive substances.
True.
In Kakadu National Park, Northern Territory, Australia.

that does explain a lot...


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Arnie on November 11, 2011, 07:07:13 PM
That's good form, just call me names and continue ripping up and raping a World Heritage Listed National Park.  This area is one of the most beautiful places in Australia.
  (for those who don't know Kakadu, think of mining Yosemite National Park)

Why not put a mine in some place where it won't be noticed, like Coober Pedy?

While uranium does produce X-Rays, that's not how they're made in medical use.  All the other uses of radiactive substances you mention can be met very easily with the existing mines both here in Aus and elsewhere.  Who do you hope to sell these "radiactive substances" to, India or Iran?  They're the two countries currently trying to expand their nuclear programs.

Yes, I use electricity that is partially produced by coal burning generators, so?  I also drive and ride vehicles that use petroleum based fossil fuels. 
Neither of these means I see the world like you - As an opportunity to line my pockets no matter the cost in irreplaceable natural beauty and unique habitat.

I don't even demand that you stop digging up the world, just that you choose where you do this with more care and consideration.

Arnie

 

Hunting radioactive substances.
True.
In Kakadu National Park, Northern Territory, Australia.

Leave it in the fuckin ground you pillager!
Kakadu needs to be protected from you and your greedy buddies.

Arnie 

Shut up, Hippy.
You are using a computer, powered by coal burning power stations.
Amongst other things,we need X-Rays, smoke detectors and cancer therapies.
Go live in a humpy, wear sack cloth and ashes.


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: RichBaker on November 11, 2011, 08:06:24 PM
No different than mining the Grand Canyon for Uranium......   http://www.grandcanyontrust.org/grand-canyon/uranium_issues.php (http://www.grandcanyontrust.org/grand-canyon/uranium_issues.php)

 Pretty sleazy, either place..... 


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Marsh White on November 12, 2011, 12:04:03 AM
  (for those who don't know Kakadu, think of mining Yosemite National Park)

Why not put a mine in some place where it won't be noticed, like Coober Pedy?


I just did a quick read of this on wikipedia (granted not everything on wikipedia is factual - but usually the info is moderately accurate):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining_in_Kakadu_National_Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining_in_Kakadu_National_Park)

It seems to me that mining began there as far back as 1956 - and it wasn't made a national park until 1981.  Also - when they made it a national park they specifically excluded the mine: "Technically the site of the Ranger mine and the adjacent Jabiluka area are not part Kakadu National Park, but are completely surrounded by it, as they were specifically excluded when the park was established from 1981."

Hmmm...so, it's not as if a mine was put in a national park as seems to be the thought perpetrated here.  It appears that there was mining going on here for a LONG time - and then finally someone said "hey, this place is really pretty - let's make it a national park - but we make so much money off of the mining - let's leave them alone to do their thing".  And then the hippie community jumped in all Ill informed and outraged.

Anyway - this post is in no way influenced by my friendship by Klavdy - just my own research and opinion.  That said - I really do know jack shit about the issue...perhaps it is more complicated than I realize...


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: FJ Flyer on November 12, 2011, 08:19:40 AM
Gettin' a little off topic, here, eh?   :flag_of_truce:


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Arnie on November 12, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
The Ranger mine at Jabaluka has been there for a long time.
The current situation is that some (Klavdy's connections?) are trying to establish ANOTHER mine within the park.
There is much more within Kakadu than just pretty vistas.  It is truly a magic place with great cultural and anthropological and heritage significance.  Its World Heritage listing should protect it from any further debasement.
I get angry at those who believe the world is their toilet, so they shit everywhere they go.

Arnie


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: mst3kguy on November 12, 2011, 06:41:33 PM
I get angry at those who believe the world is their toilet, so they shit everywhere they go.

does that include when people throw their cigarette butts out their window?  i don't particularly care for that...


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Arnie on November 12, 2011, 07:07:09 PM
Yes, it certainly does.  A few years ago the EPA set up a system where if you saw someone littering you could report them and they'd be issued a $500 fine.  If they fought the fine, you would be required to appear against them in court.  I've dobbed in 2 litterers.  One was a stake truck loaded with corrugated cardboard (flattened cartons) that only had a couple of ropes tossed over the top to keep them in place.  However, since it was a very windy day the boxes were flying off with gusto.  I tried flashing the driver but he ignored my flashing for over 15kms. losing cardboard all along the highway.
The other was a fool who tossed a cigarette butt out the window onto the roadside (into dry grass) on a Total Fire Ban day.  (I stopped and extinguished the butt.  Saved me from coming back in a big red truck)
I've previously picked up cig butts and tossed them back into cars.  Fair play for motorcyclists who get ashed and hit frequently, I think.

Cheers,
Arnie
 

I get angry at those who believe the world is their toilet, so they shit everywhere they go.

does that include when people throw their cigarette butts out their window?  i don't particularly care for that...


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Marsh White on November 12, 2011, 11:28:38 PM
Gettin' a little off topic, here, eh?   :flag_of_truce:

Chris, there is no hope in saving this thread - splitting off various posts, etc.  It is a total clusterfuck already.  I kind of like it that way (just this thread mind you).  Let's see what happens...


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Mark Olson on November 13, 2011, 12:30:28 PM


does that include when people throw their cigarette butts out their window?  i don't particularly care for that...
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I got nailed for a cigarette ticket in california , ended up costing 400. fine + 8 hrs mandatory community service picking up trash.  However the parks and rec guys being assholes had me dig a hole looking for a sewer pipe.  8hrs digging a hole thru rock sucks.  needless to say I never accidentally dropped a unlit butt out of a car again.

how is that for staying on topic?


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: tmkaos on November 14, 2011, 07:16:17 PM


does that include when people throw their cigarette butts out their window?  i don't particularly care for that...


Ohh i hate that... Nothing like a used butt in your helmet just as you were enjoying the fresh air with the visor up for a second... I make a habit of when lane-feeding in traffic of puling smokes out of peoples hands as they rest them out the window.. Excellent for shits 'n' giggles. Makes me feel better anyway  :good2: (popcorn)


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: Klavdy on November 22, 2011, 08:34:35 PM
Calling you names after you called me a pillager?

Alright then, how's "Draft Dodging, Hippy Coward" sound?

Quote from: Arnie
That's good form, just call me names, blah blah blah, Hippy nonsense, blah blah, 
Leave it in the fuckin ground you pillager!
blah blah,socialist drivel,blah blah,nimby nimby,blah blah
Kakadu needs to be protected from you and your greedy buddies.
Blah blah, bleat bleat,
Arnie 

The Ranger mine at Jabaluka has been there for a long time.
The current situation is that some (Klavdy's connections?) are trying to establish ANOTHER mine within the park.
There is much more within Kakadu than just pretty vistas.  It is truly a magic place with great cultural and anthropological and heritage significance.  Its World Heritage listing should protect it from any further debasement.
I get angry at those who believe the world is their toilet, so they shit everywhere they go.

Arnie


Title: Re: Started a business, can get really good prices on some parts if needed!
Post by: FJmonkey on November 22, 2011, 08:42:11 PM
Calling you names after you called me a pillager?
Alright then, how's "Draft Dodging, Hippy Coward" sound?
You forgot soap dodger...I always loved that one.....