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1986 fj1200 tear down

Started by Bandit650, March 03, 2016, 04:43:33 AM

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Bandit650

Hi guys I have a 1986 Fj 1200 stripped down deciding what to powder coat/ paint and what to get polished.
I have a chance to buy a 1991 Fj 1200 in good running condition with low mileage .
I need to know are the following parts compatible from 91 to 86
Engine
Front forks into 86 yokes
Front brake clutch masters
Rear brake master
Rear shock
These parts on the 86 are mostly past it and I'd save a fortune if they would swop over.
The reason I want to go from 91 to 86 is that I've owned the 1986 since 2000 and the plastics are in perfect condition and I want to keep the red and white paint.
Thanks in advance.

giantkiller

I don't have a 91. But I think the only thing that won't fit on the list is the rear shock. You can use the Honda F4i shock. I got a clean low mileage shock resprung it. With an Eibach 900lb spring. (The heaviest that you can use stock valving) all for $160 including the tools, and the collar for the respring.. May not be as good as Randy's shock. Or even a penske.. But way better than stock shocks. And cheap.
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

FJmonkey

Dan is correct about the rear shock, the shock length changed for the 89/90 and again for the 91+ years. The 91+ also has rubber engine mounts so that might be a detail to attend to. It might be as simple as swapping the lower frame rails over. Then the 86 will have less vibration. All the other parts will swap over, you will need to use the 91 front brake calipers with the 91 forks, the 86 calipers will not bolt on. The masters are all the same.   
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

jscgdunn

Assuming the 91 is a 3xw you need to drill out the rear lower engine mounts to accept  the 86 engine mounts.

Jeff
92 FJ1200 2008 ZX14 Forks, wheels, 2008 cbr 600 RR swingarm
92 FJ1200 2009 R1 Swinger, Forks, Wheels, 2013 CBR 1000 Shock
90 FJ 1200 (Son # 2), Stock
89 FJ 1200 Built from parts: (Brother bought it) mostly 92 parts inc. motor
84 FJ 1100 (Son #1), 89 forks wheels, blue spots

Pat Conlon

Yep, the oem shocks suck, regardless of the year. That is a very good offer from Dan. :good:

The lower shock mounts are different between the early ('84-87) and late ('89-93) model FJ's  The early mounts are an eye and late mounts a clevis.

Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 08:53:42 AM
The 91+ also has rubber engine mounts so that might be a detail to attend to. It might be as simple as swapping the lower frame rails over. Then the 86 will have less vibration.    

Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

jscgdunn

Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 08:53:42 AM
Dan is correct about the rear shock, the shock length changed for the 89/90 and again for the 91+ years. The 91+ also has rubber engine mounts so that might be a detail to attend to. It might be as simple as swapping the lower frame rails over. Then the 86 will have less vibration. All the other parts will swap over, you will need to use the 91 front brake calipers with the 91 forks, the 86 calipers will not bolt on. The masters are all the same.   

The 3xw frame and motor mount locations are very different as are the lower frame rails.....no interchange.  The 3xw frame is wider and heavier.
92 FJ1200 2008 ZX14 Forks, wheels, 2008 cbr 600 RR swingarm
92 FJ1200 2009 R1 Swinger, Forks, Wheels, 2013 CBR 1000 Shock
90 FJ 1200 (Son # 2), Stock
89 FJ 1200 Built from parts: (Brother bought it) mostly 92 parts inc. motor
84 FJ 1100 (Son #1), 89 forks wheels, blue spots

FJmonkey

Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 09:01:04 AM
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....

Well crap!! The down side of owning only two FJs 86 & 89.... Maybe I need a Pink stripe to match my fading Red textile jacket??
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

rktmanfj

Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 09:01:04 AM
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....

Well crap!! The down side of owning only two FJs 86 & 89.... Maybe I need a Pink stripe to match my fading Red textile jacket??


   (popcorn)


Randy T
Indy

Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
Psalms 144:1

'89 FJ1200
'90 FJ1200
'78 XT500
'88 XT350


giantkiller

Quote from: giantkiller on March 03, 2016, 07:08:31 AM
I don't have a 91. But I think the only thing that won't fit on the list is the rear shock. You can use the Honda F4i shock. I got a clean low mileage shock resprung it. With an Eibach 900lb spring. (The heaviest that you can use stock valving) all for $160 including the tools, and the collar for the respring.. May not be as good as Randy's shock. Or even a penske.. But way better than stock shocks. And cheap.
I guess it sounds like a sales pitch. But $160 is what I have into the F4i shock I'm using.
Not for sale @ this time. I am working on putting r1 Swingarms on the 1350 and the Turbo bike. But will probably give the Honda shock to my brother, or my nephew.
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

Pat Conlon

Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 09:01:04 AM
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....

Well crap!! The down side of owning only two FJs 86 & 89.... Maybe I need a Pink stripe to match my fading Red textile jacket??

Here ya go laddie... right next door: http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=14894.0

The '91+ rubber mounted FJ's are much smoother than the early ones

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

FJmonkey

Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 11:24:06 AM
Here ya go laddie... right next door: http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=14894.0

The '91+ rubber mounted FJ's are much smoother than the early ones
Not helping Pat!!! :dash2: :dash2: :dash2: No room, no money, and did I say no money?
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

aviationfred

Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 09:01:04 AM
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....

Well crap!! The down side of owning only two FJs 86 & 89.... Maybe I need a Pink stripe to match my fading Red textile jacket??


I think this is actually the deal of the century if both bikes run well as advertized.

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=15149.0

FJmonkey, The 1100 is even the correct colors that you have mentioned. Now you would have one each of every generation.... :good2:

Maybe even get with Cap'n Ron and do a fly and ride with you for a shake down run down the coast......And have Derek and Donna meet you guys at the airport.


Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

FJmonkey

Quote from: aviationfred on March 03, 2016, 11:43:42 AM
I think this is actually the deal of the century if both bikes run well as advertized.

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=15149.0

FJmonkey, The 1100 is even the correct colors that you have mentioned. Now you would have one each of every generation.... :good2:

Maybe even get with Cap'n Ron and do a fly and ride with you for a shake down run down the coast......And have Derek and Donna meet you guys at the airport.
Fred
Not helping Fred!!! :dash2: :dash2: :dash2: No room, no money, and did I say no money?
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

Bandit650

Thanks for the help guys . I'm still trying to figure out how to get pics from photo bucket to here but I will persevere or wait till the son gets home from college .
You can't believe how badly I want to ride this bike again. This forum is a big part of why I started into this restoration keep up the good work. :good:

rktmanfj

Quote from: Bandit650 on March 03, 2016, 01:28:56 PM
Thanks for the help guys . I'm still trying to figure out how to get pics from photo bucket to here

Pull up the pic on Photobucket, and click on the image file to copy it.

Then paste the image file into your post wherever you want it to appear.

Randy T
Indy

Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
Psalms 144:1

'89 FJ1200
'90 FJ1200
'78 XT500
'88 XT350