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Started by aviationfred, February 14, 2017, 08:32:43 AM

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Mattman

Hi Fred,

Where can I get a pair of clear running lights for my 93?

Quote from: aviationfred on April 05, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
The lights are as follows.

Turn signal/running lights...White 5000k/Amber Cree Switchback LED 60 watts

Headlight...5000k HID 35 watts

Auxiliary driving lights...5000k Cree LED 120 watts/3000 Lumens

I will be able to get actual running amp draw numbers later this evening.

Fred
past motorcycles, 26, too many to list!

aviationfred

Quote from: Mattman on April 05, 2017, 03:16:29 PM
Hi Fred,

Where can I get a pair of clear running lights for my 93?

Quote from: aviationfred on April 05, 2017, 02:34:25 PM
The lights are as follows.

Turn signal/running lights...White 5000k/Amber Cree Switchback LED 60 watts

Headlight...5000k HID 35 watts

Auxiliary driving lights...5000k Cree LED 120 watts/3000 Lumens

I will be able to get actual running amp draw numbers later this evening.

Fred

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Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

simi_ed

Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 05, 2017, 11:31:11 AM
No, Fred has many more mods of his FJ than I have on mine...

....then again, I can only think of one 1350cc FJ (in the world) that has an uber trick 24v starting system...

Shhhhh .... The 1st rule of 24V starters ..don't talk about 24V starters!
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

Earl Svorks

    Hey Fred,
  If we assume that the signals are 2 x 60 and the running lights are both 120 and the headlight only35 (?) without
a taillight that is nearly 300 watts total. That will be well over 20A total. The ignition system might  be good for an
additional 5A. An amp or so to keep the battery happy, , , hmm, , how much amperage did you say that FJR alternator
is designed to deliver?  The lights in the pic look like they're getting plenty of power. I guess we'll see when you put an ammeter in series with that load. Careful doing that, if your Fluke is like mine it has a  fast fry 10 amp expensive/i]
fuse in it.
     Simon

simi_ed

I just dug up an owners manual for the XJR.  The alternator specs out as 28A@5,000 rpm. About the same FJ, IIRC.   
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

aviationfred

Quote from: Earl Svorks on April 05, 2017, 05:39:33 PM
    Hey Fred,
  If we assume that the signals are 2 x 60 and the running lights are both 120 and the headlight only35 (?) without
a taillight that is nearly 300 watts total. That will be well over 20A total. The ignition system might  be good for an
additional 5A. An amp or so to keep the battery happy, , , hmm, , how much amperage did you say that FJR XJR alternator
is designed to deliver?  The lights in the pic look like they're getting plenty of power. I guess we'll see when you put an ammeter in series with that load. Careful doing that, if your Fluke is like mine it has a  fast fry 10 amp expensive/i]
fuse in it.
     Simon


I was not able to get any amp readings last evening. I will get the readings this evening. I know about the Fluke fuses. I have 3 Fluke meters. An 87 V, 179 and a 375 clamp meter


Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

aviationfred

Here are the actual lights that I have.

Turn signal bulbs....http://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-1157-7528-Cree-60W-Led-Amber-White-Switchback-Turn-Signal-Light-Projector-/371374555871?hash=item5677a602df:g:HfgAAOSw9N1VmeY3&vxp=mtr

Auxiliary driving lights....http://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-125W-CREE-U5-LED-Headlight-Driving-Fog-Spot-Light-Lamp-For-Motorcycle-Switch-/112175611116?hash=item1a1e2ffcec:g:kxgAAOSwUEVYCh5X&vxp=mtr

I am not going to list the HID headlight, being as they are typically known to draw 35watts.

To help keep the power draw down, I do have a LED tail light installed.


Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

simi_ed

Fred, this looks like A LOT of lighting.  However, lighting is like both speed & horsepower;  too much is ALMOST enough!  That being said, I have 2 questions:
1.)  How many amps do the 1157 signal-running lights actually draw? 
2.)  How well does the white light pass through yellow lenses?  I like the look of the yellow lenses, and would rather not change them, even with amber flashers.  If you still have the OEM lenses perhaps you could pop them on & do bit of testing. If not, c'est la vie ...
Thanks!
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

aviationfred

Quote from: simi_ed on April 06, 2017, 01:47:13 PM
Fred, this looks like A LOT of lighting.  However, lighting is like both speed & horsepower;  too much is ALMOST enough! 
Thanks!



That is an awesome quote.


I will be getting the amp draw on all of the lighting shortly. I think I ha e a stock set of orange lenses I can pop on for experimentation purposes.


Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

aviationfred

Quote from: simi_ed on April 06, 2017, 01:47:13 PM
Fred, this looks like A LOT of lighting.  However, lighting is like both speed & horsepower;  too much is ALMOST enough!  That being said, I have 2 questions:
1.)  How many amps do the 1157 signal-running lights actually draw? 
2.)  How well does the white light pass through yellow lenses?  I like the look of the yellow lenses, and would rather not change them, even with amber flashers.  If you still have the OEM lenses perhaps you could pop them on & do bit of testing. If not, c'est la vie ...
Thanks!


Here is the answer to your questions with the Cree switchback 1157 bulbs.

1. The amp draw with the white running lights is .4 amps.

2. The white running lights have a good bright glow through the orange lenses and the orange light gives a good bright glow, just a bit of a darker shade. Photos are as follows.

1. Running light with the orange lens.

2. Turn signal activated and the flash off.

3. Turn signal activated and the flash on.

An added benefit that I like that IMO adds a bit of better safety factor is that with the switchback bulbs. When the flash is off, there is actually no light illuminated. With the OEM style incandescent bulbs. The running light alternates between the running light and brighter turn signal filaments.

Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

aviationfred

I was able to get amp draw readings from all of the running lights.

HID headlight=3.2
LED Running lights=0.4x2
LED Auxiliary lights=0.4x2
LED Tail light=0.3

Total amp draw for all of the lights at 2500RPM is 5.1 amps

I used a Fluke 375 clamp meter

Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

simi_ed

Quote from: aviationfred on April 06, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
I was able to get amp draw readings from all of the running lights.

HID headlight=3.2
LED Running lights=0.4x2
LED Auxiliary lights=.04x2
LED Tail light=0.3

Total amp draw for all of the lights at 2500RPM is 5.1 amps

I used a Fluke 375 clamp meter

Fred


Thanks for the information Fred.  I think you slipped a decimal place on aux lights though; 0.4 instead of 0.04?
Q: are the signals brighter than the running lights?  Otherwise, I like everything I see. I agree that the on-off when flasher is on is a cool deal. Surely more conspicuous FWIW.  'They' - cagers-- seem to ignore them anyway.
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

aviationfred

Good catch Ed. You are correct, I fixed it.

The White and the orange LED's have the same light intensity. They are extremely bright. The lenses diffuse the light quite a bit. At night, or even at dusk. I have noticed that when the turn signal is turned off and the white light comes back on. More road area lights up on that side. Kind of like the Cadillacs did back in the '90's and early '00's with the white bumper side lights that came on whenever the turn signal was activated.


Fred

Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

yamaha fj rider

Great posts, Fred and Ed. The LED lights use a lot less power to produce the same light. I just bought some LED light bulbs for around the house, these light bulbs produce 60W of light and only use 9W energy.

Kurt
93 FJ1200
FJ 09
YZ250X I still love 2 strokes
Tenere 700
FJR1300ES

simi_ed

Fred, I thought of a few more things:
1.)  What happened with the flash  rate with the LED turn signal bulbs?  Same? 
2.)  Did you add resistors to slow the flash rate? 
3.)  Does your self-cancelling function still work?

Sorry, inquiring minds want to know.
Thanks!

Ed
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke