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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2021, 11:06:53 PM »

Robert,
Thank you for reminding about the cam chain tensioner.


Today's work. Carb cleaner and some brush work to care of any loose paint and old road grime.



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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2021, 09:07:03 PM »

I have decided that the is too much black.....



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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2021, 03:44:25 PM »

Yep, some break up of the black looks good!  good

Also do your the edges on lower cooling fins.
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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM »

Timing is set and valve clearances are good.

Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.



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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2021, 05:33:40 PM »

Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.

How do you compensate for the wrench length when setting the torque wrench?  I've seen fixed length versions, but never a slide/variable length version.  Do they have a conversion table or something?

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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2021, 05:41:42 PM »

Quote from: Flynt on January 17, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.

How do you compensate for the wrench length when setting the torque wrench?  I've seen fixed length versions, but never a slide/variable length version.  Do they have a conversion table or something?

Frank

As long as the added wrench is 90° too the torque wrench, no conversion is necessary.

https://www.motionpro.com/a/adjustable-torque-wrench-adapter-08-0380/



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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2021, 06:38:24 PM »

Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:41:42 PM
Quote from: Flynt on January 17, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.

How do you compensate for the wrench length when setting the torque wrench?  I've seen fixed length versions, but never a slide/variable length version.  Do they have a conversion table or something?

Frank

As long as the added wrench is 90° too the torque wrench, no conversion is necessary.

https://www.motionpro.com/a/adjustable-torque-wrench-adapter-08-0380/



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I've got to add one of those to the list!

Motion Pro is always coming out with cool stuff.
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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2021, 09:39:13 AM »

Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:41:42 PM
Quote from: Flynt on January 17, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.

How do you compensate for the wrench length when setting the torque wrench?  I've seen fixed length versions, but never a slide/variable length version.  Do they have a conversion table or something?

Frank

As long as the added wrench is 90° too the torque wrench, no conversion is necessary.

https://www.motionpro.com/a/adjustable-torque-wrench-adapter-08-0380/



Fred

Boy that's counter intuitive...  I'd think it would be more like your torque arm becomes the length of the Hypotenuse of the triangle you made with the extension...  For example, if your wrench is 4ft, your extension is 3ft, your new effective torque arm would be 5ft (3,4,5 right triangle).  It would be a good approximation to say the extension is effectively zero as long as it's much shorter than the torque wrench, but imagine you have a 10 foot extension and a 1 foot torque wrench...  I don't believe you could ignore the extension in that case.

Anyway...  cool tool agreed and I'm going to get one.

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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2021, 12:33:39 PM »



[/quote]

Boy that's counter intuitive...  I'd think it would be more like your torque arm becomes the length of the Hypotenuse of the triangle you made with the extension...  For example, if your wrench is 4ft, your extension is 3ft, your new effective torque arm would be 5ft (3,4,5 right triangle).  It would be a good approximation to say the extension is effectively zero as long as it's much shorter than the torque wrench, but imagine you have a 10 foot extension and a 1 foot torque wrench...  I don't believe you could ignore the extension in that case.

Anyway...  cool tool agreed and I'm going to get one.

Frank
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Draw a force diagram showing the applied torques. 
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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2021, 01:07:30 PM »

For the hypotenuse to be the lever arm, the applied force would need to be perpendicular to the hypotenuse.
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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2021, 03:23:35 PM »

A little help please...... I don't know if I am having a case of the Dumbass or what. For the life of me, I can't remember what gets mounted too these holes.

This is on a 91 and later engine. The holes are just aft of the oil pan. They have a machined surface and the threads are clean.



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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2021, 03:37:34 PM »

on my 91 3xw the standard 4 into 2 collector mounting bracket bolts to those 2 threaded holes
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« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2021, 03:53:57 PM »

Quote from: Motofun on January 19, 2021, 12:33:39 PM
Draw a force diagram showing the applied torques. 

Maybe you can do that, but I contend you will not put discrete perpendicular force as modeled by such a diagram...  I do agree that is the extension is shorter than about 1/4 of the torque wrench length, the difference will be negligible.  Imagine a 1 foot torque wrench and a 10 foot extension however, and the diagram will not reflect how you actually turn the bolt...

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Re: Starter Clutch Failure
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2021, 06:48:32 PM »

Quote from: aviationfred on January 19, 2021, 03:23:35 PM
A little help please...... I don't know if I am having a case of the Dumbass or what. For the life of me, I can't remember what gets mounted too these holes.

This is on a 91 and later engine. The holes are just aft of the oil pan. They have a machined surface and the threads are clean.



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I figured out what goes there. :Facepalm: Those are the bolt holes for the OEM collector box mount bracket that I dont need.
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