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Started by aviationfred, December 28, 2020, 12:34:10 AM

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aviationfred

Robert,
Thank you for reminding about the cam chain tensioner.


Today's work. Carb cleaner and some brush work to care of any loose paint and old road grime.



Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

aviationfred

I have decided that the is too much black.....



Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

Pat Conlon

Yep, some break up of the black looks good!  :good:

Also do your the edges on lower cooling fins.
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

aviationfred

Timing is set and valve clearances are good.

Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.



Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

Flynt

Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.

How do you compensate for the wrench length when setting the torque wrench?  I've seen fixed length versions, but never a slide/variable length version.  Do they have a conversion table or something?

Frank
There's plenty of time for sleep in the grave...

aviationfred

Quote from: Flynt on January 17, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.

How do you compensate for the wrench length when setting the torque wrench?  I've seen fixed length versions, but never a slide/variable length version.  Do they have a conversion table or something?

Frank

As long as the added wrench is 90° too the torque wrench, no conversion is necessary.

https://www.motionpro.com/a/adjustable-torque-wrench-adapter-08-0380/



Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

FJ1200W

Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:41:42 PM
Quote from: Flynt on January 17, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.

How do you compensate for the wrench length when setting the torque wrench?  I've seen fixed length versions, but never a slide/variable length version.  Do they have a conversion table or something?

Frank

As long as the added wrench is 90° too the torque wrench, no conversion is necessary.

https://www.motionpro.com/a/adjustable-torque-wrench-adapter-08-0380/



Fred

I've got to add one of those to the list!

Motion Pro is always coming out with cool stuff.
Steve
Columbia, Missouri
USA

Flynt

Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:41:42 PM
Quote from: Flynt on January 17, 2021, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on January 17, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Here is a handy tool. Nobody in the Mouse and Toad Garage could remember ever using it. Definitely came in handy for doing the torque on the cam sprocket bolts.

How do you compensate for the wrench length when setting the torque wrench?  I've seen fixed length versions, but never a slide/variable length version.  Do they have a conversion table or something?

Frank

As long as the added wrench is 90° too the torque wrench, no conversion is necessary.

https://www.motionpro.com/a/adjustable-torque-wrench-adapter-08-0380/



Fred

Boy that's counter intuitive...  I'd think it would be more like your torque arm becomes the length of the Hypotenuse of the triangle you made with the extension...  For example, if your wrench is 4ft, your extension is 3ft, your new effective torque arm would be 5ft (3,4,5 right triangle).  It would be a good approximation to say the extension is effectively zero as long as it's much shorter than the torque wrench, but imagine you have a 10 foot extension and a 1 foot torque wrench...  I don't believe you could ignore the extension in that case.

Anyway...  cool tool agreed and I'm going to get one.

Frank
There's plenty of time for sleep in the grave...

Motofun



[/quote]

Boy that's counter intuitive...  I'd think it would be more like your torque arm becomes the length of the Hypotenuse of the triangle you made with the extension...  For example, if your wrench is 4ft, your extension is 3ft, your new effective torque arm would be 5ft (3,4,5 right triangle).  It would be a good approximation to say the extension is effectively zero as long as it's much shorter than the torque wrench, but imagine you have a 10 foot extension and a 1 foot torque wrench...  I don't believe you could ignore the extension in that case.

Anyway...  cool tool agreed and I'm going to get one.

Frank
[/quote]
Draw a force diagram showing the applied torques. 
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Waiex191

For the hypotenuse to be the lever arm, the applied force would need to be perpendicular to the hypotenuse.
Bryan
1989 FJ1200
1981 Suzuki GN400
Poplar Grove, IL
 

aviationfred

A little help please...... I don't know if I am having a case of the Dumbass or what. For the life of me, I can't remember what gets mounted too these holes.

This is on a 91 and later engine. The holes are just aft of the oil pan. They have a machined surface and the threads are clean.



Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

jono

on my 91 3xw the standard 4 into 2 collector mounting bracket bolts to those 2 threaded holes
1991 fj1200

Flynt

There's plenty of time for sleep in the grave...

Flynt

Quote from: Motofun on January 19, 2021, 12:33:39 PM
Draw a force diagram showing the applied torques. 

Maybe you can do that, but I contend you will not put discrete perpendicular force as modeled by such a diagram...  I do agree that is the extension is shorter than about 1/4 of the torque wrench length, the difference will be negligible.  Imagine a 1 foot torque wrench and a 10 foot extension however, and the diagram will not reflect how you actually turn the bolt...

Frank
There's plenty of time for sleep in the grave...

aviationfred

Quote from: aviationfred on January 19, 2021, 03:23:35 PM
A little help please...... I don't know if I am having a case of the Dumbass or what. For the life of me, I can't remember what gets mounted too these holes.

This is on a 91 and later engine. The holes are just aft of the oil pan. They have a machined surface and the threads are clean.



Fred


I figured out what goes there. :Facepalm: Those are the bolt holes for the OEM collector box mount bracket that I dont need.
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor